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i got my letter informing us retired folks that the cost of living did not go up so we got no raise. truth is yall know who gave it all away. personally a lot of my bills went up uncluding health insurance and we cant do anything about it until next election. im sure by then evereyone will see the light. work hard all your life and now watch out. i pity the young and today they are giving billions to poor countries

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the representatives and senators got their raise though didn't they. :O

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Dogwood English
i got my letter informing us retired folks that the cost of living did not go up so we got no raise. truth is yall know who gave it alPersonally a lot of my bills went up uncluding health insurance and we cant do anything about it until next election. im sure by then evereyone will see the light. work hard all your life and now watch out. i pity the young and today they are giving billions to poor countries [/QUOTE

It has been going this way for decades and still most don't want to do anything about us and the goverment getting robbed on health care.
Personaly I would take any kind of health care bill. It is a strating point when it passes. We will be fighting over changes in it till the end of time OR WE COULD JUST GO ON TRUSTING THE ONES THAT ARE ROBBING US NOW.
I India they have some of the best health care in the world. A stent for your heart $ 100.00 installed. Catoract sergery $ 100.00. What happens if we get in a war and we can't get our pills at any price becouse they are all made over seas and they can't or won't get them to us?

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[B] I India they have some of the best health care in the world. A stent for your heart $ 100.00 installed. Catoract sergery $ 100.00. What happens if we get in a war and we can't get our pills at any price becouse they are all made over seas and they can't or won't get them to us?

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It has been going this way for decades and still most don't want to do anything about us and the goverment getting robbed on health care.
Personaly I would take any kind of health care bill. It is a strating point when it passes. We will be fighting over changes in it till the end of time OR WE COULD JUST GO ON TRUSTING THE ONES THAT ARE ROBBING US NOW.
I India they have some of the best health care in the world. A stent for your heart $ 100.00 installed. Catoract sergery $ 100.00. What happens if we get in a war and we can't get our pills at any price becouse they are all made over seas and they can't or won't get them to us?

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When I look around at the Doctors here in the U S, I see lots of Indians and others praticeing medicene here. Must be they make more money here and decide to stay after they recieve there education.

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When I look around at the Doctors here in the U S, I see lots of Indians and others praticeing medicene here. Must be they make more money here and decide to stay after they recieve there education.

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I am keeping my eye on the Tea Party movement. Truthfully, I think the 2 party system is too ingrained in our society, but Washington (both parties) need to wake up! They have to come to the realization that you can not spend more than you make. It truly is sad when our politicians act like children with no discipline.

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i got my letter informing us retired folks that the cost of living did not go up so we got no raise. truth is yall know who gave it all away. personally a lot of my bills went up uncluding health insurance and we cant do anything about it until next election. im sure by then evereyone will see the light. work hard all your life and now watch out. i pity the young and today they are giving billions to poor countries

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I believe in working together to care for citizens of my society. John calls that socialism. I call it traditional Judeo-Christian values. Those values tell me that we would be best to tax more heavily the super rich to care for working class. [John would call that marxism].

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This must be some kind of a joke. No one could be this clueless.

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DE- a couple of questions- if you are retired, why aren't you on medicare? or when you talk about "bills went up including health insurance" are you referring to copays?

If you are on a govt retirement system and receiving govt subsidized healthcare would you like to see those govt programs expanded or cut?
John would say you are someone who is "living off the teat", I believe lb says your type are "freeloaders" who are "on the dole". As a tax paying american I am happy that some of earnings are going to care for retirees, but to be honest I am kind of stretched a little thin these days too. So how do we come up with some more money to provide for you? Should the govt try to raise more revenue or simply cut spending so that you can have some more money? If you favor raise more revenue- then how? Who should pay in more? Should the working poor have to pay in more? Should the middle class folks chip in more, or should the ultra wealthy like CEOs who make a million $ per year? Maybe we should raise revenue by taxing estates of people who die with over 3.5 million $ left in their bank accounts. If we tax that at even 50% their poor kids would only get 1.75 million dollars and might be forced to get a job?
Or maybe we could cut spending? Shut down a few more elementary schools? Let the roads go shambles? Pare down our military? Keep our military out of expensive wars that don't create an economic benefit? Quit bailing out/ subsidizing the capitalists-ie banks, auto makers, oil producers? Or should we cut your benefits and healthcare?

Now, I am under the assumption that you are human being, a member of my society [The United States of America], and not just a paid propogandist working for some corporation. I believe in working together [John calls it collectivism] to care for citizens of my society. John calls that socialism. I call it traditional Judeo-Christian values. Those values tell me that we would be best to tax more heavily the super rich to care for working class. [John would call that marxism]. I believe that we should quit bailing out the capitalists and start caring for the working class. Now some would say that I am "redistributing wealth", but if you worked hard all your life, didn't you in fact help create that wealth that the millionaires have? Why should the CEO of a for profit health insurance company make hundreds of thousands of dollars a day, while a guy who maybe cut wood or mined for coal, or farmed their whole life would have to work for 10 years to make what a CEO might make in a day? Are these people better than you? More worthy than you? Do they deserve to live the good life more than you?

I think not.

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yes i have Medicare and Humana which cost me and only get a little over 800 a month. my solution to get all USA back on feet would have given the trillion of dollars to the people as bonus money and they would have put it back into economy and it would still have reached the top. i mean the USA is broke. all the money they have borrowed we are surely in trouble and will bankrupt the country the way they are going. they increase the top people in goverment and bankers who are in trouble get bonus. it is just a crazy goverment. if you r rich u will get richer and if u poor and electricity has doubled here in a year and everything getting more expensive,you cant keep your bills paid.

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If I am so clueless liberal, why don't you ever answer any of the questions that I pose? Why do you have to resort to name calling?

If you were an elected official what would you do to balance the budget? Would you cut this retirees benefits?

Do you understand that passing laws to make abortions illegal has never been proven to lower the number of abortions that take place?

Do you have the courage to answer any of these questions or will you just keep namecalling?

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yes i have Medicare and Humana which cost me and only get a little over 800 a month. my solution to get all USA back on feet would have given the trillion of dollars to the people as bonus money and they would have put it back into economy and it would still have reached the top. i mean the USA is broke. all the money they have borrowed we are surely in trouble and will bankrupt the country the way they are going. they increase the top people in goverment and bankers who are in trouble get bonus. it is just a crazy goverment. if you r rich u will get richer and if u poor and electricity has doubled here in a year and everything getting more expensive,you cant keep your bills paid.

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Dogwood English,

Just wait until our kids and grandkids have to pay the interest alone on Obama's spending.

U.S. News and World Report just reported earlier this week that in order to pay off Obama's spending Americans were going to have to get used to living on 75% less of what they do presently.

The Liberals says our wages in this country are too high compared to the rest of the world. Like all good liberals/Socialists, they want everyone to be equal. Thus you have all of this global poverty and economic stabilization lingo coming out of the Obama camp. That along with this Global warming hoax is going to force American, already strained by our economic problems and a look down the road at what we have to pay back, are now also going to be forced to give up MORE of their wages to make the world more "equal".

Folks, Obama is a traitor. Anyone who supports him is either painfully and willfully ignorant or a traitor themselves.

Only a complete brainless twit could do what he is doing and believe what he believes and still pretend to be competent and a legit American.

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The good news is when our kids and grand kids are working there arse off to pay off the debt they wont be sweating.


Obama has saved the world from global warming with billions of our dollars!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Needed to have closed our borders along time ago,dont ya think.

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Truly, i went to work in a textile[ sewing factory] one day after graduation and started at $1.00 an hr and after years of getting promoted they passed a bill and textiles were shipped over seas and they shot the factories down and than i got any job i could find in my town. i finally got a job selling cars for Toyota until our secretary pinned me between two cars and pushed my hip completely though pelvic bone . was unable to work for over a year and drawed lot less from workmans comp than my salary because Va is one of few states u cant sue while on job, so we lived off our savings for over a year. i know hard luck case. im just tired of Obama and he will put us down. and now they want to do away with anything to do with God. not only him bacause he is Muslim but lots of non beleivers which are in minorty. worksman paid me 1/3 what i could have earned

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its not just the govt, i think you will see alot of companies not give raises. as long as inflation stays benign you could actually come out ahead

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its not just the govt, i think you will see alot of companies not give raises. as long as inflation stays benign you could actually come out ahead


thats what i started with they said there was no inflation all i can sa is some one is blind

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Like him or not you can't put this crap on this president. I know it goes all the way back to Reagan. Clinton in my opinion done the worst harm makeing that trade deal with China but the deal with Mexico and all the rest has helped do us in.
I don't agree with a lot of what this one does just like all the rest but I do try to put blame were it belongs and there is plenty on this problem to go around.

Like our health care. Nobody even has the back bone to speak of the real problem. The unfare cost of it. All they can talk about is how to pay the inflated price of it or how to pay the blood sucking insurance companies. Get the cost down by doing something about the corp. charging so much to begin with. It doesn't cost that much in other countries. If health care goes down so does the insurance or should but won't if they can get away with it. Got to love and trust CEO's

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Like him or not you can't put this crap on this president. I know it goes all the way back to Reagan. Clinton in my opinion done the worst harm makeing that trade deal with China but the deal with Mexico and all the rest has helped do us in.
I don't agree with a lot of what this one does just like all the rest but I do try to put blame were it belongs and there is plenty on this problem to go around.

Like our health care. Nobody even has the back bone to speak of the real problem. The unfare cost of it. All they can talk about is how to pay the inflated price of it or how to pay the blood sucking insurance companies. Get the cost down by doing something about the corp. charging so much to begin with. It doesn't cost that much in other countries. If health care goes down so does the insurance or should but won't if they can get away with it. Got to love and trust CEO's

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