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steve patterson
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Ukc Staionary Rule? Please delete

I no Ukc has a Staionary rule could somone please define it for me, How many minutes? Penalty?

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off the top of my head, i know if your dog is acting like its treeing the judge can put the stationary on your dog and you have 5 minutes to tree it or i think you get minused.. (not sure on that part) I've had it put on my dog but never let the 5 expire... hope someone else can put more about it on here.

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Ukc Staionary rule?

Pkc the penalty is scratched like to no for sure What the penalty is and how many miutes Thanks

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11-23-2009 08:01 PM

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Ive had them put it on me before too.Is it a rule to keep people from not calling a dog that is treed or a dog that is hung up.I had it pulled on me one night and the judge even said she was hung up on something not treed.She was hung up on a real good fence.I got minused 225 because i had to tree her.

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steve patterson
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Ukc Staionary rule?

If the penalty is Minus how much minus?

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Redbone Chic
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i believe it would be a first tree minus??

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11-23-2009 08:16 PM

Robert Johnson
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it is a 5 minute period, and the penalty is scratched. Rule 6q. the judge does have to prove the dog treed before the scratch can take place.

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rule

what about a beaver dam?

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11-23-2009 08:29 PM

jeffrey robinso
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The penalty for the stationary is rule is to be scratched. You have 5 minutes to tree your dog once the stationary rule is applied. If your dog quits barking during the 5 minutes and doesn't bark treed for 2 minutes then the stationary rule is lifted. If you tree your dog the stationary is lifted. If the 5 minutes on the stationary runs out and you don't tree your dog and the judge goes in and sees that your dog is showing treed in a hole or ditch tile or anything besides a tree, you can't be scratched on the stationary rule, the dog has to be on a tree to be scratched.

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steve patterson
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If he staionary on a beaver dam shouldnt he be given minus?

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THEIR IS NO MINUS. THE JUDGE NEEDS TO MAKE SURE YOUR DOG IS TREED BEFORE HE APPLIES THIS RULE. YOU CANT SCRATCH A DOG IN A HOLE TREED ON A FENCE TREE ON A BARN. THE ONLY WAY THE DOG CAN BE SCRATCH IF HE IS ON A TREE AT THE TIME OF THE FIVE MINUTES IS UP. JUST PKC BUT THE DOG IN PKC CAN BE SCRATCH IF HE IS ON A FENCE OR BARN OR HOLE . TO SCRATCH THEM IN UKC ITS JUST A TREE.

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How fast does a judge usually put the staionary rule in effect?

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quote:
Originally posted by HOBO
How fast does a judge usually put the staionary rule in effect?

WHEN HE KNOWS THE DOG IS TREED

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Autumn Clements
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quote:
Originally posted by steve patterson
If he staionary on a beaver dam shouldnt he be given minus?

if stationary was applied, handler doesn't tree the dog time expires you walk in there and dog is on a beaver dam you just step back not a thing you can do about it.

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steve patterson
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Again thanks for the replies i have learned something today and i appreciate it.

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11-23-2009 09:15 PM

JustinM
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Its a scratch, and the judge has to go in after time is up and make sure he is on a TREE. If not on a tree then no scratch

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Lee Currens Jr.
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is it a tree or a place of refuge,how many dogs have to
show end of trail

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quote:
Originally posted by blueticking: it
is it a tree or a place of refuge,how many dogs have to
show end of trail

A beaver dam would be a place of refuge, not a tree. Only one dog has to show the end of a track at a place of refuge provided the others are right there in the area.

The stationary rule is only a scratch if it is a tree, nothing else.

On that note, if you went to the beaver dam during hunt time you COULD have scored it accordingly because you don't have to tree a dog in at a place of refuge to score it so the judge could have got more circle or even plus if you could have seen it if he had just went and looked.

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thanks RIP its nice to get 1 right

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11-23-2009 10:19 PM

steve patterson
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How would you no its a place of refuge if the dog is 150yards away? the dog was on the bank of a creek barking at the beaver dam. I feel the stationary should of been applied and then scored acordingly! but it wasnt!

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Steve, you are forgetting one thing about UKC, if the judge thought his dog was on the beaver dam there is no requirement to even tree the dog or apply the stationary, you can just walk over and see. In that situation if he is on the beaver dam it can be scored accordingly, plus,minus, or circle.

I do think he should have done one or the other though, but really if he knows the land and knows the dog is in the beaver dam it is better for you if he DOESN'T go in there cause the circle from scoring the beaver dam could beat you. I personally would have went and scored my dog in the beaver dam if it was mine hoping I could see the coon in the beaver dam and I would have just went over there and scored it too, no treeing the dog and no stationary rule just scoring the place of refuge.

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steve patterson
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Rip, The judge on this cast was from another state!! I gurantee you that he had never been in those woods in his life!! Now with that being said there is no way he knew the bever dam was there!

Im not goin to loose any sleep over this i just wanted the rule explained!

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11-24-2009 03:08 AM

Todd Miller
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You should of believed Jim and Maniac the first time. Just casue you repost it dosent mean the rules change. There's no statinary in UKC.

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11-24-2009 01:08 PM

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I think this rule is dumb D U M B!!!!!!! It's just not right that a dog can screw the whole cast by being stationary (obviously not moving) for the whole hunt!!!!!!!!!!!! We all understand that coons run in holes, brush piles. etc.. But it should not matter if the dog on a tree or not!!!!!!!! He should have 5 minutes to tree his dog no matter if the dog is on a tree or not.

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