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I have a line bred Nichols Creek (House Line) female that is a top reproducer from 3 different studs. The best cross came from a male no one knows about that has no Sackett blood. She has no Sackett blood and likes to have a coon. What would the coon hunters suggest to breed her to.

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Something Sackett bred ...

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Something Sackett bred ...

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If she has no Sackett JR in her why contaminate anything she might have? I guess there is some Sackett JR dogs out there that might be halfway decent.But the 15 or 20 I've been around wasn't worth the bullet it would have took to get rid of them.

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If she has no Sackett JR in her why contaminate anything she might have? I guess there is some Sackett JR dogs out there that might be halfway decent.But the 15 or 20 I've been around wasn't worth the bullet it would have took to get rid of them.

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No Sackett here and a little bit of House blood too.

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No Sackett Jr , and throwing the right kind , good looking , independent , and have drive.......

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Remeber guys, I didn't say Sackett blood was a bad thing, I just have a top female that doesn't have any and I wondered if there are those out there that would keep it that way.

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The Sackett comment was just me beating everyone else to the punch ...


If it were my , I'd find some of the old Yadkin River blood ..

Yadkin River was the top half of Sackett.

Yadkin River was the top side of Nailor.

Put some Yadkin River on the top side of your gyp and you might have the next Sackett Jr or Nailor ....


.. how's that ?

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i'm not sure what your going to do, if you want more lipper here is some for ya,,, my bear dog has pleanty.

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Originally posted by blueticking: it
5,103 pups 405 nc are better,how many of those had
sackett in them?
that leaves 4698.

how many pups werent nc are better of sackett

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Christy , take out all those Lipper females that Sackett Jr bred .. then see how it looks .

Nailor and Sacket Jr both came along at just the right time ... folks say they both weren't freaks , just good producers ...


.. hmmmm , guess why they produced ? .. because of that Freakzilla Lipper and his daughters they were bred to ...

... whoop-powwww!!!

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Christy
[B]SACKETT JR HAD:

2072 PUPS PRODUCED
149 GRAND NITE CHAMPIONS
261 NITE CHAMPIONS
410 TOTAL

LIPPER HAD:

5103 PUPS PRODUCED
115 GRAND NITE CHAMPIONS
290 NITE CHAMPIONS
405 TOTAL

SO, LET ME BREAK IT DOWN, SWEET AND SIMPLE.

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Heck, compare Sackett Jr production percentage %percentage (% the name of the game) to any stud of any breed at any time. My last issue of Coonhound Bloodlines where this information is listed is 5 years old. Is there another super stud in the last 5 years that beats the %? Not talking about studs with few pups to run up the %.

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Nailor and Sacket Jr both came along at just the right time ... folks say they both weren't freaks , just good producers ...

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LOL. LOOK AT THE PERCENTAGES MAN! THEY DONT EVEN COMPARE!

LIPPER'S PERCENTAGE:
405 TITLED DOGS / 5103 OFFSPRING = 0.07936 * 100 = 7.9365%

SACKETT JR'S PERCENTAGE:
410 TITLED DOGS / 2072 OFFSPRING = 0.19787 * 100 = 19.7876%

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Originally posted by Justin Smith
Christy , take out all those Lipper females that Sackett Jr bred .. then see how it looks .

.. hmmmm , guess why they produced ? .. because of that Freakzilla Lipper and his daughters they were bred to ...

... whoop-powwww!!!

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OKAY, YOU ASKED FOR IT. LOL.

HERE'S A FEW OUT OF SACKETT JR THAT DONT HAVE LIPPER IN THEM.

ROCK RIVER LADY (PRODUCED TRACKMAN, SUPERMAN, CONERAGER, CYANIDE, LADY'S MAN, BAWLING BARNEY II)
ROCK RIVER FRANK
ROCK RIVER TELL SACKETT
BOLDEN'S HIGH DOLLAR SACKETT II
RAT ATTACK (WE JUST WONT EVEN GO THERE FOR OBVIOUS REASONS. LOL.)
HAMMERING EARL
HARDIE'S BIG TIME TRIXIE
NIGHT HEAT ABBY (WONT TOUCH THAT EITHER)
DOHONEY'S ROCK RIVER FIDDLER
FLETCHER'S STYLISH JAKE
SACKETT JR'S STYLISH JILL
SMITH'S MOUNTAIN BLACK MAGIC
CLINCH MOUNTAIN TIMBER
BALL'S STYLISH HICKORY NUT STORM
SACKETT'S TIMBER HITCH

THAT'S ALL I CAN THINK OF RIGHT NOW. LOL.

NOW....A FEW THAT DO HAVE LIPPER IN THEM.

(YOU MIGHT NOTICE THESE FIRST 6 ALL GO BACK TO SCHMERSAL'S STYLISH QUEEN-COULD BE A BIG FACTOR IN THERE)

BABE'S STYLISH BANJO-GRANDSON BUT OUT OF BABE WHO QUEEN WAS HER MAMA
STYLISH RENO-GRANDSON-BUT OUT OF LACEY WHO QUEEN WAS HER MAMA
STYLISH STACEE-LITTERMATE TO RENO
COWEE CREEK CLINT-OUT OF DOLLY'S STYLISH QUEEN WHO WAS OUT OF LIPPER AND STYLISH DOLLY-QUEEN WAS HER MAMA
THE MASTER LATCH-OUT OF LIPPER'S STYLISH QUEEN, WHO WAS A LITTERMATE TO DOLLY'S STYLISH QUEEN
JOLLY G JEFF DAVIS-LITTERMATE TO THE MASTER LATCH

(YOU MIGHT NOTICE THAT THE FIRST 3 DOGS ARE ALL LITTERMATES)
ROCK RIVER ROCKET (GREAT GRANDSON)
TAR HEEL NITRO
CHASE CREEK SACKETT JACK

SACKETT JR'S SON (GREAT GRANDSON)

OKAY. NOW MY BRAIN HURTS!!! LOL.

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by Christy
[B]SACKETT JR HAD:

2072 PUPS PRODUCED
149 GRAND NITE CHAMPIONS
261 NITE CHAMPIONS
410 TOTAL

LIPPER HAD:

5103 PUPS PRODUCED
115 GRAND NITE CHAMPIONS
290 NITE CHAMPIONS
405 TOTAL

SO, LET ME BREAK IT DOWN, SWEET AND SIMPLE.

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David, not sure where your located but I own a dog thats in Arkansas that David Hart is hunting for me that has no Sackett Jr in him at all either. NICE hound

If your interested in hunting with him or breeding your female give me a buzz and I will set up . Im sure there are several that have hunted with him that will vouch also.

Just in case your interested he is off Wipeout Koy and Carolina Peach

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This is the best I ever saw it said:


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Boys, I don't have much of a stake in this, not being a Walker man, but I have hunted with enough Sackett dogs and Lipper dogs to have an opinion, and since this is a place where they are expressed, I will voice it.

I think it is fair to say that percentage wise, Jr. produced a higher percentage of what I call usable dogs than any Walker stud in history. His pups, by and large, made coon treers. They were trainable, and were tree dogs. They were the kind of dogs that casual coon hunters can get along with.

Lipper on the other hand, threw a higher percentage of culls and rejects, but the good ones out of old Lipper were, in my opinion, a cut above the Sackett Jr. dogs, at least for what I like in a hound.

I don't think any Walker stud has marked the breed as distinctively as Lipper did. His pups were easily recognizable both by physical appearance and the way they sounded and operated. I don't think Jr. dogs are as distinct; but they are coon treers.

I know there are exceptions, and out of 2,000 pups there are going to be some real dandies.

But the Jr. bred dogs I have huted with did not have the drive, the speed, and the mouth of the best of the Lipper dogs. They were easier to get along with and caused less headaches for their trainers, in my opinion.

I will say this, and then I will leave you spotted dog fanciers alone and let you shoot me full of holes...

The Walker breed, with the popularity and prevalence of the Rat Attack dogs and their offspring, is in dire need of another good stud dog that will throw some of what Lipper put into the breed.
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Originally posted by Christy
SACKETT JR HAD:

2072 PUPS PRODUCED
149 GRAND NITE CHAMPIONS
261 NITE CHAMPIONS
410 TOTAL

LIPPER HAD:

5103 PUPS PRODUCED
115 GRAND NITE CHAMPIONS
290 NITE CHAMPIONS
405 TOTAL

SO, LET ME BREAK IT DOWN, SWEET AND SIMPLE.

LIPPER HAD 3000 MORE PUPS PRODUCED THAN SACKETT JR, AND 5 LESS NTCH'S AND GRNTCH'S THAN SACKETT JR.

IN MY OPINION, THERE IS NO COMPARISON IN REPRODUCTION.

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as an english man reading this thread, i'm wondering what is the problem/controversy over this dog "rat attack"? this is and honest question.

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he asked a simple ?? why cant people just give him a simple answer he wants a stud without sackett

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as an english man reading this thread, i'm wondering what is the problem/controversy over this dog "rat attack"? this is and honest question.

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Just part of the reason is when you go to a comp. hunt and 95% of the entries are walkers. They want to win.
The other part of the reason is out of the 95% walkers, 95% have Sackett Jr in them. They want to win. Yes, it's pretty much a "me too" crowd that can't stand a me too dog.

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Just the opposite. The dogs are maybe too independant. the crowd of want to be winners are the "me tooers".

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