Registered: Jul 2004
Location: Mt.Airy, N.C.
Posts: 3152

I bred a female this past Thursday. Tonight when I got home from church she was out of her kennel, with my german shepherd on her trail....tail!!! Somehow the german shepherd got the door on the back of her house open, and she came out and she is still ready. There's no doubt, they got hooked up. I'm sure someone's had this to happen before. Will the dog that caught her first sire the pups, or will they be half german/half bluetick???? Is there anything I can do????? I need some input from someone that knows more about it than I do.

HALP!!!!

__________________
Phone (336) 648-3210

Home of Mayberry Blueticks
Jhn. 3:30, "He must increase, but I must decrease."

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Los Angeles, MN
Posts: 4236

It spossible to have pups from one of the sires or a few from each sire.

Your probably going to have to dna the pus...$$$ (ouch)

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Morrison TN
Posts: 4927

Most likely part of the pups will be sired by the dog you want, part of them will be sired by the German Shepard. There's a chance it's one or the other, but most likely they both will have some sired.

Only one sperm can fertilize the egg so each pup will either be what you want or half German Shepard.

You can DNA the pups and see for sure which ones are which.

People do it intentionally all the time, have dual sired litters getting pups from two different studs in the same litter, but then they have to DNA every pup to see which is which.

__________________
Let's go huntin

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Mar 2004
Location: Dobson NC
Posts: 2112

Craig. I have heard of folks breeding females to two diff males to get what I would call two litters in one. But the only way to tell what the sire was is to dna each pup. Which can run into some money in a hurry. But beings yours might be german sheppard cross. I dont know. Sounds like your luck is about like mine.

__________________
STRAIGHTDRIVE KENNEL'S

Owner / Handler:
Larry Puckett

HOME OF:
GR. CH."PR"DEADLY PETEY UKC 1st. place( SIRE=Gr.Nt.Ch.Ch.PR Mc's Deadly Hitman / Dam=Ch.Nt.Ch.PR Beard's Stylish Magic) (Gone but Not Forgotten)

GR.NT.CH PR Spades Nite Heat Sky (Gone But Not Forgotten)

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Mar 2006
Location: Cabot, Arkansas
Posts: 742

Sorry about that Whatever you do, don't get her the "morning after" shot. Had to spay one because of that. I guess they would be called... German Coonhounds.

__________________
'Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus!!!


Debbie Killough
501-412-2760

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jul 2008
Location: Sylvester, Georgia
Posts: 675

could be very smart hounds thats for sure

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jul 2004
Location: Mt.Airy, N.C.
Posts: 3152

I not feel good.

__________________
Phone (336) 648-3210

Home of Mayberry Blueticks
Jhn. 3:30, "He must increase, but I must decrease."

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Apr 2006
Location:
Posts: 6548

quote:

---

Originally posted by Stokes08
could be very smart hounds thats for sure

---

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jul 2004
Location: Mt.Airy, N.C.
Posts: 3152

quote:

---

Originally posted by blueticking: it
make sure mines ears come up in a point

---

__________________
Phone (336) 648-3210

Home of Mayberry Blueticks
Jhn. 3:30, "He must increase, but I must decrease."

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Nov 2009
Location: East Point, Kentucky
Posts: 25

Natural processes says the breeding you made might have covered all fertile eggs. If this case is not true, the german shepherd probably got the rest.

It is only possible one live sperm should enter each fertile egg. After this occasion, the egg will strengthen or grow harder that no other sperm can make an entrance. Each pup will be sired by one or the other. There will be no merger between sperm from both males.

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Apr 2006
Location:
Posts: 6548

thats about all you can do at this point ^

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jun 2005
Location: Prince Edward Island,Canada
Posts: 4589

man that sucks ...
pretty much what others have said, could have pups from both sires or one or the other.

__________________
Autumn Clements

'PR'LEAD'S MIDNITE SASSY
CFC CH Canadian GCH Multi Group Placing MBPIG BBPIG LEGACYK STANNYFIELD PRIME TIME (AKC & UKC Pointed)
BPIG MBBPIG WINDAMIRS RED LIGHT DISTRICT V AMBERLANE
LEGACYK DARE TO DREAM V CBLUES
LEGACYK WHITE AS A GHOST V CBLUES

Gone but not forgotten
GRNITECH GRCH PKC CH'PR'CLEMENTS' BLUE PRANCER
GRNITECH GRCH'PR'SPIKE'S TWILITE HOOKER
'PR'PRANCER'S GETTIN DOWN N DIRTY (PrancerxHooker)
NITECH CH’PR’BUELL’S BLUE ROCKY(Whitey x Spice)
CKC BBPIG MARIES BABY BREEZE

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Beaver Springs, Pennsylvania
Posts: 3316

Sorry about your bad luck. That sucks, I know, I had a Plott female get bred by a roaming Romeo shepherd and all the pups looked like Plotts. Since I hadn't bred her to anything else, I knew they were mutts. We put them down, the world does not need more mutts.

You might get lucky and be able to tell when they are born or shortly after which pup belongs to which male. If it were me, I'd go ahead and breed her everyday she will stand to the bluetick and hope that when she drops her eggs, more of his sperm will be present then the shepherds. KEEP HER IN A STEEL BOX AND WATCH HER EVERY MINUTE, LOL. Those male dogs are determined little suckers. Be prepared for the DNA thing, though, or just not register them and breed her next time.

__________________
American Leopard Hound
FNL Hanselman's Blu Pixie Dust

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jul 2004
Location: Mt.Airy, N.C.
Posts: 3152

The g.s. has been going crazy ever since she came in. My kennel is off the ground, and I didn't think it was possible for anything to go wrong. It is amazing what a 130 lb. german shepherd can do once he sets his mind to it.

These post have been enlightening. Learned some things I didn't know. Thanks so much for your input. I'm going to breed her again to the blue dog, and just wait and see. It shouldn't be a problem, detecting the mutts from the blueticks.

Does anyone have an idea as to how much it would cost to get a pup dna'd?????

Again, Thanks for your input. You guys are the bestiss!

__________________
Phone (336) 648-3210

Home of Mayberry Blueticks
Jhn. 3:30, "He must increase, but I must decrease."

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Mar 2006
Location: Cabot, Arkansas
Posts: 742

Maybe...they're just real good friends and he was following her around to protect her integrity?? And you will get a nice litter of purebred pups and live happily ever after!!

__________________
'Tis so sweet to trust in Jesus!!!


Debbie Killough
501-412-2760

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jun 2003
Location: michigan
Posts: 2573

If you go with the dna I've heard they are less expensive when bought first hand at one of the big hunts from UKC.
Grand American, Winter Classic, etc.. Call to UKC would be the best bet to cover everything.

On the bright side there may be a big market for Blue Shepards.

Last edited by Dale Young on 12-28-2009 at 04:41 PM

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Sep 2007
Location: ackerman,ms
Posts: 2229

you can get it done a good bit cheaper through other companies and if the male bluetick is already dna'ed it should only cost ten dollars to have him read...only have to dna the pups that look like blueticks the rest will tell on therselves

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Beaver Springs, Pennsylvania
Posts: 3316

quote:

---

Originally posted by Ellie Mae
Maybe...they're just real good friends and he was following her around to protect her integrity?? And you will get a nice litter of purebred pups and live happily ever after!!

---

__________________
American Leopard Hound
FNL Hanselman's Blu Pixie Dust

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Aug 2005
Location: Dobson, N.C.
Posts: 361

Discounted UKC DNA kits

United Kennel Club hosted shows, hunts and miscellaneous events usually offer DNA kits at a discounted rate. You may contact the host club or United Kennel Club to ensure we will have enough kits on hand to fulfill your request.

The discounted fee is usually $35.00 instead of the normal fee of $49.00.

Discounted Kits can usually be purchased at the following events:


Premier
Southern English Days
Virginia State Championship
BBOA Bluetick Reunion
NC State Championship
Treeing Walker Days
Black & Tan Days
BBOA Days
Pennsylvania State Championship
Michigan State Championship
Arkansas State Championship
English Days
American Redbone Days
Nat'l Redbone Days
KY State Houndsmen Benefit
Nat'l Plott Hound Days
WV State Championship
Autumn Oaks
UKC Zone 8 Semifinals
Texas State Championship
UKC Zone 1 Semifinals
UKC Zone 2 Semifinals
UKC Zone 3 Semifinals
UKC Zone 4 Semifinals
UKC Zone 5 Semifinals
UKC Zone 6 Semifinals
UKC Zone 7 Semifinals
UKC World Championship
KY State Championship
BBCHA Fall Round-Up
Battle of the Breeds

For more information, please contact the United Kennel Club DNA Department

The DNA kit (swab, application, directions and return envelope) is $4.00. The fee for the Profile (processing) is $45.00. You can order a DNA kit in advance and pay for the processing fee when the swab is returned to UKC or you may pay for the kit and profile in advance.

The total fee for the kit and processing is $49.00

Dogs are not required to be UKC registered to have a DNA profile on file at the United Kennel Club, Inc. However, DNA profiling will not get your dog registered with the United Kennel Club, Inc. For more information on how to register your dog visit the registration page.

DNA test kits and profiles may be ordered through our Online Store or you may contact the United Kennel Club DNA Department directly at:


UNITED KENNEL CLUB
DNA Department
100 E Kilgore Road
Kalamazoo, MI 49002
Phone: 888-KITS-DNA
Fax: 269-343-7037
Email: dna@ukcdogs.com

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: May 2004
Location: northeast
Posts: 1278

You can indeed have pups in the same litter sired by two different males.No they will not be cross breeds.And with DNA to prove parentage you can register the pure breds as you normally would.

__________________
IT SEEMS THAT EVERYTIME A BREED OR LINE OF DOGS GET POPULAR IT EVENTUALLY LEADS TO ITS RUINATION BY UNINFORMED PEOPLE BREEDING WITHOUT DOING THEIR RESEARCH FIRST.

Gone but never forgotten:
NtChGrCh Dryfork Punkin
NtChGrCh Dryfork Little Blue Baby Doll
2009 Pa Show Dog Of The Year
GrCh Dryfork Little Black Book
Gr.Ch. Make My Day Sunny
Gone too soon RIP my baby girl
Gr.Ch. Black Dog Black Cherry
GrCh Dryfork Black Dog Raine
One of kind and would make a believer out of you when you thought there were no coon left
Home of:
2009,2013,2018 Pa. State
Show Handler Of The Year
CH. Power Pack Pepper
2018 Pa. Show Dog Of Year
Gr.Ch. Batman's Poison Ivy
2011&2013 WTDA Pa State Champion
2011&2013 Overall Hunt For The Cure
Ch. Jay's Greenridge Heidi
In memory of my best friend "Jay"

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jan 2005
Location: BLOOMFIELD IOWA
Posts: 2439

wouldn't you have to have both males dna'd?

__________________
Bryan J.

SAVE THE COON, HUNT WITH A HOUND!

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Central Michigan
Posts: 6544

Maybe this is what the breed needs to finally win a world hunt.

JK ... I am sorry I couldn't help myself.

__________________
Larry Atherton

Aim small miss small

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Aug 2004
Location: bainbridge ny
Posts: 2589

if these pups are born colored like blueticks i seeno reason for dna when a ticked hound crosses with a german shepherd most of the pups will be brown black saddled or black i know a guy that intentionaly breeds his bluetick to a shepherd for yote dogs and never did she produce other than pure black or brown black saddled she has had pups three times each with a differant male. i know for sure a redtick mated to a lab produces solid colored pups in my case she was confined 6 days before and six days after being bred to a redtick and what a surprise when she had 8 pure black pups they were so nice i found homes for the whole litter in one day the last one left two guys were bidding on then one guy put a hundred dollar bill in my pocket to this day 3 i know of look like pure labs two of the males are over a hundred pounds and what noses on them

__________________
the rooster will crow again.. keep them english and keep them looking up
email minihorse@hotmail.com

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Aug 2004
Location: bainbridge ny
Posts: 2589

i know of a cross between a redtick and a shepherd thats one good yote dog gritty goes in to kill and real cold nosed

__________________
the rooster will crow again.. keep them english and keep them looking up
email minihorse@hotmail.com

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged

Registered: Aug 2004
Location: bainbridge ny
Posts: 2589

just the hound male either there his or there not

__________________
the rooster will crow again.. keep them english and keep them looking up
email minihorse@hotmail.com

Report this post to a moderator | IP: Logged