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wade lucking
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is a me too dog better

1st of i like a dog to lead the pack from strike to tree and striving for that type of hound.

but with all the people saying we need this rule or that rule, tree count down for example, and complaing about me too dogs i thought.

is a so called me too dog better hound than the independent hound?

i ask this because i hear this me too dog came in from behind and treed a coon coming in, and then came in and got to score with my dog. did nothing all night and then scored on my dogs tree that had a coon in it, i have heard a ton of me too dog story's on here.

well maybe that so called me too dog is just better, treeing 2 coon to your independants 1(that appartently the indpendant dog passed up) only treeing that one time with a coon in the tree and taking no minus trough the night, heck that means the independant must of taken minus wether it was a slick tree or off game or something that the me too dog didn't me too on.

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john Duemmer
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When you say better hound you need to specify if you mean better coondog or better comp. dog. They are vastly different.

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coonsmen
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i me too dog that will tree quicker than another dog will win a hunt most any night.

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Casey_Lee
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A "me too" dog is one that won't or can't tree it's own coon. Not one that trees it's own coon and gets part of mine. A dog that trees a coon my dog missed and is still there in time to get some of mine has just whooped my @$$ on the score card and is probably a lot more dog power than what I'm packing. One that stands at your feet or just a few feet from the light, and waits on something else to strike before it ever goes hunting is a darn good start for a "me to" dog. Then when the other dogs tree it will tree with them. Turn back loose and same thing dog stands just outside of light and waits on something else to start barking before it goes hunting and then rushes in there to tree with them.

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coonsmen
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there are alot of me too dog that can get second strike. and when the 1st dog finds the tree they are right on their heels and are able to open first.

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Let me give you an example of a classic me too dog. I was beat by one a few weeks ago and this is how it happened.

1st drop all dogs struck and run a track a short way and one peels to the left and treed. 4:30 gone on the tree and me too covers for 75+

Turn loose again and the dog that treed the first coon trees another one me too covers inside a min this time for 75+

They turn off that tree and my gyp falls treed to the right. Shut me too out on the strike but she covered with 10 seconds on the 5 and received 75+

We cut off that tree and my gyp trees 50 yards from were we just cut loose me too trails around for a little while and trees with a few minutes left on the five for 75+

We turn off that tree and the gyp that treed the first two coons falls treed thru the country and shut everyone out on strike. Me two covers for 50+ on this one.

This gyp was scored on 5 coons that she had nothing to do with treeing. With a few minutes left in the hunt the gyp finally makes a tree by herself and is treed. I couldnt find a tree more slick in the summer time if I tried. The handler and another man in the cast found a hole the size of a quarter a QUARTER!! And voted to circle it. 2 to 2 vote.

That with the dogs strike points gave her 600 plus that�s hard to beat.

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you gotto love the "any hole makes a tree circled "people...

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quote:
Originally posted by Joey
Let me give you an example of a classic me too dog. I was beat by one a few weeks ago and this is how it happened.

1st drop all dogs struck and run a track a short way and one peels to the left and treed. 4:30 gone on the tree and me too covers for 75+

Turn loose again and the dog that treed the first coon trees another one me too covers inside a min this time for 75+

They turn off that tree and my gyp falls treed to the right. Shut me too out on the strike but she covered with 10 seconds on the 5 and received 75+

We cut off that tree and my gyp trees 50 yards from were we just cut loose me too trails around for a little while and trees with a few minutes left on the five for 75+

We turn off that tree and the gyp that treed the first two coons falls treed thru the country and shut everyone out on strike. Me two covers for 50+ on this one.

This gyp was scored on 5 coons that she had nothing to do with treeing. With a few minutes left in the hunt the gyp finally makes a tree by herself and is treed. I couldnt find a tree more slick in the summer time if I tried. The handler and another man in the cast found a hole the size of a quarter a QUARTER!! And voted to circle it. 2 to 2 vote.

That with the dogs strike points gave her 600 plus that�s hard to beat.

IS THIS DOG FOR SALE ? SOUNDS LIKE A GOOD COMP. DOG !

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there are alot of me too dog that can get second strike. and when the 1st dog finds the tree they are right on their heels and are able to open first.

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wade lucking
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you didn't get beat by a me too dog you got hosed on 2-2 vote in the dogs favor,

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quote:
Originally posted by coonsmen
you gotto love the "any hole makes a tree circled "people...

i have SHOT coons out of holes no bigger then 2 1/2 inches across and them come OUT of that same hole when hit back when hides were worth something. grow ar. coons, not kittens. course a big coon here is about 15-17lbs.. trust me, i'm not in favor of calling dark spots and small branch breakoffs "holes" either. try it sometime you see an eye in a 2in hole. shoot it, he'll come out when it gets "hot". looks like toothpaste squeezing out of the tube.

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quote:
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you didn't get beat by a me too dog you got hosed on 2-2 vote in the dogs favor,

Actually I was beat by the gyp that treed three coons. She got hosed on the 2 to 2 vote. LOL I told them at the tree that we couldn�t do a thing about it but vote and if they could live with it then that�s how it would be. Then I shook his hand and congratulated him on his win and told him I hope he was real proud of it.

John I would have felt a little better about a 2 � in hole but I said the size of a QUARTER!!!

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quote:
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Actually I was beat by the gyp that treed three coons. She got hosed on the 2 to 2 vote. LOL I told them at the tree that we couldn�t do a thing about it but vote and if they could live with it then that�s how it would be. Then I shook his hand and congratulated him on his win and told him I hope he was real proud of it.

John I would have felt a little better about a 2 � in hole but I said the size of a QUARTER!!!

agreed. it was the other dudes post i responded to then read yours.

when i was a teen back in the early eighties and coons where 30 bucks we carried an axe. hole trees came down. the dogs LOVED it when the steel hit the wood. then, when i moved in late eighties the old man i hunted with then showed my the 2in hole trick and we did it many times afterward. it is truly something to behold. it might take em a few minutes, but they will come out of that hole with a little hot lead coaching.

as far as the hunts go, i used to go to many, not so many any more. the best hound doesn't always win, as you probably know, but on average they will win their share. maybe they should let an honest coonhunter go with the cast and declare a winner. several i've been on the whole bunch looked like crap including my own. no "winner" on those.

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I BET THOSE ME TO DOGS ARE FUN TO PLEASURE HUNT BY THERESELF GET A REAL COONDOG.

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do people real honestly believe people are hunting dogs that can't tree a coon, how would this guy ever tree a coon just out hunting, nobody coon hunts wether it's pleasure or comp not to look at coon.

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If the only way to ever win was to have a me to dog i would settle for loosing before id settle to hunt a me to dog!!!! INDEPENDENCE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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i dont like me to dogs .!

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i dont like me to dogs .!

Not pointing any names or dogs out but many say they hate me too dogs but how come there are so many of them. Of course we all look at dogs traits and abilities based of the ones we have owned. Most of us anyway.

In my eyes if a dog trees(covers) (honars), ive heard it defined as many different ways (to make excuses for it) after 2 minutes the tree should be closed. That would seperate youre me too dogs from youre coon dogs really quick.

There's a guy that hunts around here and he will tell you he likes a dog to tree 1 coon then cover everything that trees. If i had to win like that i would pull my hair out and quit. I can't stand to se dogs packing up.

You all do realize that only 1 dog trees the coon first right????

Once the first dog is treed ANYTHING that is treed after that one is covering. Now if the dogs are on a red-hot track and bang 1 trees and then 30 sreconds later the other dog that was running the same track trees then that's A okay BUT the dog still did not tree the coon.

Let me give you an example. Me and my good friend Josh used to hunt everynight together and my female would fly in there and get treed very quick usually and about 1 2 3 4 5 minutes later he'd say you hear hobo in there helping her tree that coon?

Well let me tell you once the first dog is treed there is no helping tree the coon that's already been treed no matter how you try to justify it.

If I had a dog that once a dog got treed i could guarantee it would be there everytime i would kill it. Nothing absolutley nothing is more aggervating to me. Ive drew many guys that once a dog got treed they would go ahead and tree there dog because they knew they would be there by the time the tree was dead. Why even hunt a dog like that? It's embarassing to me when my dog covers 2 minutes late.

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Not pointing any names or dogs out but many say they hate me too dogs but how come there are so many of them. Of course we all look at dogs traits and abilities based of the ones we have owned. Most of us anyway.

In my eyes if a dog trees(covers) (honars), ive heard it defined as many different ways (to make excuses for it) after 2 minutes the tree should be closed. That would seperate youre me too dogs from youre coon dogs really quick.

There's a guy that hunts around here and he will tell you he likes a dog to tree 1 coon then cover everything that trees. If i had to win like that i would pull my hair out and quit. I can't stand to se dogs packing up.

You all do realize that only 1 dog trees the coon first right????

Once the first dog is treed ANYTHING that is treed after that one is covering. Now if the dogs are on a red-hot track and bang 1 trees and then 30 sreconds later the other dog that was running the same track trees then that's A okay BUT the dog still did not tree the coon.

Let me give you an example. Me and my good friend Josh used to hunt everynight together and my female would fly in there and get treed very quick usually and about 1 2 3 4 5 minutes later he'd say you hear hobo in there helping her tree that coon?

Well let me tell you once the first dog is treed there is no helping tree the coon that's already been treed no matter how you try to justify it.

If I had a dog that once a dog got treed i could guarantee it would be there everytime i would kill it. Nothing absolutley nothing is more aggervating to me. Ive drew many guys that once a dog got treed they would go ahead and tree there dog because they knew they would be there by the time the tree was dead. Why even hunt a dog like that? It's embarassing to me when my dog covers 2 minutes late.

If i my dog covers 3 seconds after the 1st dog im emberessed and if it happans a handfull of times they donnt seem to be able to breath any longer! UKC needs to adapt the declining tree rule! Dogs that cant think for them selves are just as worthless as people that cant think for them selves!

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If i my dog covers 3 seconds after the 1st dog im emberessed and if it happans a handfull of times they donnt seem to be able to breath any longer! UKC needs to adapt the declining tree rule! Dogs that cant think for them selves are just as worthless as people that cant think for them selves!

Youre exactly right !! 2 seconds is embarrasing !! But i will not own 1 that will trust me. In thin coon a 100% independent dog may get you in trouble but NOT in thick coon.

Want to feel proud of a win ? Hunt an independent dog that way when you win you know it was youre dog that treed the coon not someone elses dog.

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I guess im on the other end of the spectrum, old school if you will, but i hate a dog that wont tree behind another dog if its running the same track and gets beat.

if your hunting a dog that cant win unless its always alone, or your constantly on here complaining about getting beat be a me too dog, you need to find you a better dog.

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i kind of like the best of both worlds,, one that will get one alone but not too jealus to cover a dog running the same coon.. but i strive for a dog to want the front end of the track..

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I guess im on the other end of the spectrum, old school if you will, but i hate a dog that wont tree behind another dog if its running the same track and gets beat.

if your hunting a dog that cant win unless its always alone, or your constantly on here complaining about getting beat be a me too dog, you need to find you a better dog.

I Agree, I like a dog that trees coon, One that if he thinks the coon is there ,will tree, if he thinks its not, will go on, no matter when the other dogs tree. So what if the first dog trees first, If he has a Coon I want mine to tree, If he dont have a coon I want mine to go on. One that wont tree with another dog is as bad as one that wont tree alone, IMO.

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Hunt old me too alone for a month. ,,,U,, will see a diffrence....

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Got to agree with Elvis on this one, if your dog is running the same track he should finish what he started even if he`s the second dog to tree, anything else is quiting his track which is a bigger fault in my book.

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