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Not too long ago I volunteered to be a non-hunting guide. At the end of the hunt we were nearly a mile out from the trucks. The timber is literally Vietnam, barely able to walk through the weeds. I know the ground well, and know where we parked was about 3-400 yards off the river, nothing dividing the river from the trucks besides nice mowed lawn near a riverside cabin. As we head back a cast member pulled out his GPS which he had marked about 100 yards ahead of the truck, and insists we are going the wrong way. 70% of the river on that side is sandbar, so I knew the fastest easiest way to the trucks was to run the river, and get on the banks when there wasn't sandbar. Not sure after the hunt is over what I was supposed to do, but I was not getting anything form them but to follow the GPS. What should have taken 15-20 minutes took nearly and hour, and we pushed the deadline. Not to mention the horrid walking, and going hundreds of yards out of the way. Should I have just gone my way and waited for them, or as the guide was I still required to walk with the cast members? I'm pretty sure after that round I could care less about being a non-hunting guide again.

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As a guide and knowing the area I would of told them "see you at the trucks"... When I'm on a cast I always listen to the guide he knows the area and the way that is the easiest to go...

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The way I understand it, if your the guide and they don't follow you then they would be in the wrong. I look at it this way, if I am guiding and theres trouble or interferance should be called they have to listen to you I believe the guide should have the athority to keep the dogs and the cast safe. Even if your not judging I think the judge should back you 100%. I have let a couple of handlers walk across a plowed filled before while I crossed a creek and got on a nice trail that we droped dogs on, to hunt that area. I got to truck and waited while they were still walking, its hard walking muddy plowed fields.

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Registered: Dec 2003
Location: Central New York State
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This is one of my pet peeves about the use of GPS's by others when I am guiding. Especially when I am guiding in woods near my house that I have hunted in for 30 years and know the woods like the back of my hand, then you waste time while someone is "reading" their gps and second guessing your path back to the truck the whole way. You know, there really are some of us who learned how to get around the woods long before gps was invented, using such novel tools as compasses, maps, and experience .

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Why would that peeve you????
You go your way, I'll go mine. And my way is right behind the guide, I won't even bother getting my GPS out until I decide the gude is lost. But if someone wants to go their own way, why should anyone care?

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I have had this exact same thing happen to me on 2 different occasions. I told them to go that way and I will see ya at the truck if that is what they wanted to do. When they told me the truck was South and we were walking North I told them they could cross that briar thicket and channel if they wanted I was going to cross this bridge and a field!! The cast followed me on both occasions, and all worked out. The funny thing is that both times was in the EXCACT same place!!

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That was kind of what I thought. But didn't want to be a jerk, and I felt responsible for the cast members. If anything remotely close to this ever happens again, I'm going to take the easy way back and be waiting at the truck!

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tully we all have hunted some land we know all too whell. and came out wrong at some point. the bottom line is a garmin wont lie and will show you the shorts route. not that it is the best one . if he mark the truck and know how to use it there great. but as to your ? i would say i am going this way you are free to go yours but give them 10 min after you get back to the truck and go on if they have a gps they cand find there way back to the club imo..

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boy's i tell ya how it is. i'am not here to bs you. i'am here to hunt dogs and get you the most for your money.my door is open for anyone to come hunt, spend the night or the weekend i hunt hard and it shows in my dogs 317-494-1098 danny suttles

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LOL, I was in a cast once hunting in a bunch of corn fields, the hunt was over, we came out into a different corn field, the guide was an old Fellow he went right, I had my GPS on and saw the truck was 175 yards right. I said hey, the Truck is Right handed. He said" Son I been huntin this my whole life, the truck is this way". "Well my GPS says right". " I dont care what that thang says". I said alright you go right, im goin left. everyone else followed me. He was comin behind us Hollerin HEY! YALL GOIN THE WRONG WAY!!!! We walked over a little swag and there set the Truck. He poped over the swag still hollering. You should have saw the look on his face. A minute later he said, " What is that Thang, let me see it". LOL

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Was hunting with another guy he had been hunting the spot for years, on the way back to the truck I noticed he was passing the Truck. I told him and he said NAA, we got to go on out this holler and hit a Field, I said well the truck is not but 150 yards over this hill, he said that thang dont work, i said you go on out this holler then, I was waiting at the truck for 15 minutes on him. LOL

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Originally posted by captaincody
First off, the GPS receiver is suppose to stay in the truck. UKC rulebook states if a person is caught with tracking device while on a cast that members dog should be scratched and if he is caught using it during a cast he would be barred from UKC events.He shouldn't have had the GPS with him to start with. If he left the truck with it on him his dog should have been scratched. Its in the rules on the back of the scorecard.

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The post also states AFTER A HUNT. You can carry the Garmin, but it has to be turned off. If you start a new hunt and mark the truck before leaving then when the hunt is over turn it back on to track back to the truck there is no harm or no foul.

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CaptainCody, you need to re-read the rules. A tracking reciever may be carried with the hunter but turned off during hunting time ( It may be used during timeouts or after hunt time has expired ). A non tracking GPS may be left on at all times.

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Rule 6 I

(l) For use of any device used to control or locate dog prior to cast completing hunt time. (Locating device may be used during time outs.) Lighted collars are not considered to be a locating device and are allowed


Rule 20

20. Any person caught using any device used to control or locate dog during hunting time, will be barred indefinitely. GPS locating device may be turned in the on position during hunting time but only if transmitter is left in vehicle. Transmitters for electronic training collars must be left in vehicle and may not be used by handler or spectators until dog wearing device is scratched and all other dogs are recovered for re-casting. (For time out periods see rule 6(l).) Lighted collars are not considered to be a locating device and are allowed.

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tully we all have hunted some land we know all too whell. and came out wrong at some point. the bottom line is a garmin wont lie and will show you the shorts route. not that it is the best one . if he mark the truck and know how to use it there great. but as to your ? i would say i am going this way you are free to go yours but give them 10 min after you get back to the truck and go on if they have a gps they cand find there way back to the club imo..

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