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What is considered a place of refuge?
What is considered catching a coon (if one is bayed up)?

Thanks for any reply another post really left me scratching my head and I read the rule book about fourteen times last night trying to find the definitons that apply to the scenarios I had in mind. If yall don't mind please post the rules that apply, so I can figure this out. Thanks again I just would like to score things right if I got in a situation concerning these rules and subjects.

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Isn't there something called a "common sense" rule? Or is that just in that Blue book? Do you have any sense? What do you think "catching a coon on the ground means"? I know what hog hunters mean when the say they "caught" a hog. I wonder what a coon would call a "place of refuge". I think that sometimes we try to read too much into these rules or try to analyze them and come up with an interpretation to benefit our circumstance at the moment. Give me a break, this isn't rocket science! I just love that post where they said that they had a coon bayed up but they did not see the dogs "bite" the coon. Of course, I'm not Jim though.

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Can't think of anything to ad to that!

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It always amazes me when someone asks questions to learn to do the right thing and you have some jack@ss get on here and show his cooth! Nice Lambert.....ur a class act.just because he didn't know what you think you know doesn't mean he has "no sense"

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You have to be careful referring to the common sense rule. Many times it is referred to when there are already specific interpretations of a rule.

I rely on the advisor to help me with interpretations. If there are no interpretations for the situation I try to use the rules first and common sense rule second.

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I for one would have interpretted the rock as a place of refuge. Others disagree with me and have already stated as much. The rock kept this particular dog from getting the coon so the rock served as a place of refuge from the dog.


I am sure someone will tell me why I am wrong but until they show me the rule that says that isn't the case and can't be interpretted that way I will continue to say it can be.

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Thanks for the useful information yea I can read lol but what rules and informaiton were yall useing to score that situation? OH yea thanks for the reminder Richard about the common sense rule I forgot it was there! lol You fellows have got to have a rule or something to back how you scored it and I am not being a smart a_S I am just trying to understand it.

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I am pretty sure it's in the advisor that if a coon unless there is a physical barrier the coon is considered caught.

Seems I remember them saying a coon backed up against a tree didn't count cause the dogs could get it if they just would, but a coon in a hole, protected, did count as a place of refuge.

No different backed up against a tree or backed up against a rock. Not really what I call shelter/refuge, just protecting the backside. The dogs could get to it if they just would.

Seems I do remember that many years ago though, and the backed up to the tree was still a "caught" coon even though no dog had actually touched it.

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My goodness Chris, do you really think that those are serious questions? Where is the rule for definition of "place of refuge". Where is the rule for exactly when is a coon "caught". Do you really think that Mr Charterpines thinks that my replies are serious? Lighten up man, isn't this message board supposed to be entertaining as well as informative? Let Mr Jim provide the information and I will provide the entertainment!

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The dog didn't have any b@lls to grab the coon. In fact if he had grab the coon it would ended the agrument of refuge cause their was non.
Didnt the other dogs Grab and fight the coon ? If they can get to the coon it would seem theres no place of refuge.

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I am pretty sure it's in the advisor that if a coon unless there is a physical barrier the coon is considered caught.

Seems I remember them saying a coon backed up against a tree didn't count cause the dogs could get it if they just would, but a coon in a hole, protected, did count as a place of refuge.

No different backed up against a tree or backed up against a rock. Not really what I call shelter/refuge, just protecting the backside. The dogs could get to it if they just would.

Seems I do remember that many years ago though, and the backed up to the tree was still a "caught" coon even though no dog had actually touched it.

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The dog didn't have any b@lls to grab the coon. In fact if he had grab the coon it would ended the agrument of refuge cause their was non.
Didnt the other dogs Grab and fight the coon ? If they can get to the coon it would seem theres no place of refuge.

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Chris, loved your reply. That was just my way of seeing the situation.

Is there any rule saying that you can't back up and re-look at situation and score it. I guess that would be voting. Just thinking out loud which will get in trouble like always. I think reading everything you have said on here I would plussed all dogs on track only.

For your other situation thats a totally different, I dont think it has anything to with the rock!!!
Good Huntin to ya!

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Isn't there something called a "common sense" rule? Or is that just in that Blue book? Do you have any sense? What do you think "catching a coon on the ground means"? I know what hog hunters mean when the say they "caught" a hog. I wonder what a coon would call a "place of refuge". I think that sometimes we try to read too much into these rules or try to analyze them and come up with an interpretation to benefit our circumstance at the moment. Give me a break, this isn't rocket science! I just love that post where they said that they had a coon bayed up but they did not see the dogs "bite" the coon. Of course, I'm not Jim though.

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Chris, loved your reply. That was just my way of seeing the situation.

Is there any rule saying that you can't back up and re-look at situation and score it. I guess that would be voting. Just thinking out loud which will get in trouble like always. I think reading everything you have said on here I would plussed all dogs on track only.

For your other situation thats a totally different, I dont think it has anything to with the rock!!!
Good Huntin to ya!

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