Registered: Dec 2004
Location: waco, tx
Posts: 646

Winning at all cost is something many, including myself, have done in the past. Good handling or slick handling even called cheating... Was what it was! A lot of the hunts I've been to in the past few years seem to have become over run with the same... The old saying " you can't BS a BSer. " holds true with me so watch out for it and call them out on it. I won a bunch of hunts, qualified a lot of dogs and finish out dogs doing this over the years and it's not remotely worth it! Striking a dog off leash or knowing full well your dog didn't bark for strike. Treeing your dog off another dogs locate. If your dog does get there last wait to see if the others can hold the tree pressure. Or, wait to see if your dog will clear it out. Pitch him in deep at the last few second of the hunt to find him deep whether he's treed or not just to minus the others for going to him. Treeing your dog and moving around in the woods so as to not be able to pin point him on THE tree he supposed to be treed on... Waiting for him to get treed. Looking for ways to minus out the competition hunting
Mean dogs. I've done it all and not proud of it in my younger years. Y'all be better than me ( or the way I have been). Our sport depends on it. New hunters will not come back if they don't have a good time. Just some old coon hunters ramblings.

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Registered: Jan 2013
Location: ohio
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AT LEAST YOUR BEING HONEST ABOUT IT NOW WHAT MADE YA TELL THE TRUTH JUST CURIOUS WAS THESE HOUNDS MADE AT A LOCAL CLUB THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE IN A LOT LOCAL CLUBS THESE DAYS A LOT HANDLERS USE A LOCAL CLUB TO GRAND OUT A 1 YEAR OLD DOG ME I JUST TAKE 1 HUNT AT A TIME AT LEAST YOU ARE BEING HONEST ABOUT IT NOW I WILL NOT FORGET YOUR NAME IN CASE I DRAW OUT WITH YA LOL JUST KIDDING GOOD LUCK

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Registered: Feb 2012
Location: west virginia
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The worst I've done in a hunt was in a pkc hunt it was a bad night snowing cold nasty drew out a three dog cast we were geting ready to turn loose as we walk down the road to the woods we were talking about the night and our dogs i told the cast i didn't have dog enough dog to be there but was tierd of being the house one cast member says your jokeing i know you and you wouldn't be here if you didn't think you could win i told them he don't have any nose he's a slick treer but he's what i got other than a pup the dog i was hunting was 18 or 20 mo at the time well they must not have believed me we turn loose the dogs strick i get third sstrick they trail a short distence ole jake throws a dieing locate before i could say any thing one cast trees his dog another dog hits i tree last slick as a ribbon two more drops a repete of the first drop this is the onley cast I've ever won on least minus ole jake had a accaidnt R.I.P ole jake

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Registered: Dec 2004
Location: waco, tx
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Originally posted by boxmanwillie
AT LEAST YOUR BEING HONEST ABOUT IT NOW WHAT MADE YA TELL THE TRUTH JUST CURIOUS WAS THESE HOUNDS MADE AT A LOCAL CLUB THAT SEEMS TO BE THE CASE IN A LOT LOCAL CLUBS THESE DAYS A LOT HANDLERS USE A LOCAL CLUB TO GRAND OUT A 1 YEAR OLD DOG ME I JUST TAKE 1 HUNT AT A TIME AT LEAST YOU ARE BEING HONEST ABOUT IT NOW I WILL NOT FORGET YOUR NAME IN CASE I DRAW OUT WITH YA LOL JUST KIDDING GOOD LUCK

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Registered: Feb 2010
Location: Steedman,missouri
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Great job !!! I haven't hunted in a hunt for yrs now and this was the main reason I stopped . I remember when my first true hound that i bought paid $100.00 for her couldn't get her to stay treed and she was also a bit on the junky side . I got into hunting with both feet the fever bit me and i had it bad . With the help of some good friends and several pair of boots and many long nights , I turned her around . Dixie was her name she was out of Alfords Alibi . I went to the first hunt with her and the fella I'd bought her from a 2hr. drive .He at this time was packin on of the better females at that time around here, well to make a long story short I almost and should of won the hunt , It got down to me and the guides and judges best friends dog and of course wouldn't you know it with a good lead and a few minutes left she treed . The judge informed me that my dog was treeing and had to tree her so i did . Well it was summer no coon was seen but a obvious circle tree minused my dog and got beat . I remember how proud i was of her on the way home almost winning the hunt with her and how dissapionted i was that i didnt . Its a fine line that makes a man question his beliefs and his pride his honesty because they're was at that time yrs ago wherever you went a babbler and how you hate them when you do have a lighting fast female that will get most honest first strikes on most , to a tree robber hanging out just out of your light that never gets first strike but you can hear him take off to the dogs when they are getting treed and get there to find he's the only one left . No I haven't been to a hunt in a long time and
I do have a very nice female at this time . Someday maybe yes maybe gotta read up on the rules slow down on my smokin and hope that things arn't quite as bad as they where 15 yrs ago.I hope that all this independence we now have breed into our hounds today has put a end to this . I know i see it in my female and can say its not man made ...Thankyou truely for your upmost honesty and humilty

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Registered: Oct 2012
Location: alabama
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thats the reason i say a class C handler can take a class A dog and make it look like crap while a class A handler can take a classC dog and make it look like a class A dog.

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Registered: Oct 2012
Location: burnt district MO/KS border
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when i started going around to the hunts, i didnt even enter. i just tagged along with a friend and co trainer and spectated......about the 3rd or 4th hunt i attended.......i was drawn aside and handed a scorecard and told by the MOH "here go judge this ntch cast" :0.......this was the thick of the comp world and the guys who were entering the hunts are now the ancient guru's of almost every breed lol.....these boys INVENTED the term "handler"


long story short, and after being forged in fire so to speak lol.......i entered a hunt....in those days there were maybe 2-5 hunts a yr within a hundred miles of my house.....on the 3rd dump, after the dog i was handling had taken first and first on both prev drops w coon seen, i took first and first agian and shut out the rest of the cast in strike points to boot.......cloud nine boys and i was feelin it

we shined the tree and with the ghost of jerry clower as my witness, i couldnt see a thing :/. big oak but no eyes.......other 2 hunters (1 had withdrawn) says there he is and yep i seem him....i have seen NADA but thought wth i got this wrapped up and in the bank so why not ......i say yep and start back for the truck.......50yards or so 1 hunter asks what color the coon i seen was :/.....i say reg coon color i guess, why?........he says cause the one we seen was a pretty yellow and white tabby :0 and shines the tree from where we were agian...

there on the first limb, pretty as a picture sat the cutest little kitty cat you ever saw

I swore to never cheat agian and never did lol

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Registered: Sep 2012
Location: Castalia ohio
Posts: 218

I know that there isnt enough people but one way would be non hunting judges. Because they have no intrest in the hunt.

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It's never going to change, It's the same as it was years ago only names have changed. It's easier to grand out now days. More clubs less hunters. jmo

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Registered: Jan 2013
Location: ohio
Posts: 394

HATE TO HERE THAT YOUR COON HUNTIN DAYS ARE OVER WITH IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOUR HEALTH HOPE NOT I STILL COON HUNT 3 OR 4 NIGHTS A WEEK WEATHER PERMITTING OF COURSE I STILL COMP HUNT ONCE IN A WHILE I HAVE A REALLY NICE COMA SACKET BRED FEMALE JUST NEEDS 20 POINTS TO BE A NITE CHAMPION REALLY IN NO HURRY TO GRAND HER OUT IVE GRANDED EVERY DOG THAT I EVER OWNED TRUTHFULLY I GOT BURNED OUT ON THE HUNTS ALL THE TRAVELING INVOLVED PLUS AGE HAS A BIG IMPACT ON IT I WORK A LOT HOURS THE WIFE DIDNT MIND IT IHAVE DRAWED OUT WITH SOME GOOD HANDLERS OVER THE YEARS AND MEET SOME GOOD FREINDS TOO

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Registered: Oct 2012
Location: alabama
Posts: 1026

You ought to be ashamed of yourself! Haha jk I could cheat if I wanted to but I quit hunting in youths when my brother and his freinds got out of ukc and pkc c most were barred. From ukc is the reason why I just like to tree coons now go when I want to leave when I want to might get back into the night hunts mostly pkc though those trophys can't put gas in my gas tank.

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