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It has been too hot to run the beagles much, so, I have been fishin'. I promise some beagle videos later.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jLjnf6ZAQY

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Good catches. The only thing that would have made them better would have been Catch & Release. Ever heard of it?

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Some of them look small do you ever throw any back. Not enough meat to make it worth while to clean. JMO..

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You guys are tough critics. But, obviuosly, you didn't watch the movie very well. All of the big cats were catch and release (like I stated in some of the clips) and if you think a 20 pound channel is small, you don't know much about fishin'. 10" crappies are big crappies. They were released into hot grease.

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Excellent fishin! Our fishin has been poor. Just gettin back into it in a new area and need to find the spots. Switched gears to Muskie Fishin and Hazel and I have caught several Husky Muskies (over 42" and a few small ones). They are a rush to catch but not that great to eat so we take a picture and release them. Best place for the crappies is in the pan. We release the smaller ones that dont swallow the hook but crappies have a tendency to do that and no point in throwing em back in if they are likely to die. We just started for catfish but haven't caught any yet. Probably should be fishing closer to shore in shallow water. Will try that next.

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Here's a blue cat caught, said it might be new state record. Catfishing is a little tough now, their getting ready to spawn.

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I have read reports that muskies were released in the lake I live on but I haven't caught any yet. It would be years before they have any size to them if they were released.

We don't have any blue cats near my home, the nearest blue cat fishing is 100 miles away. They get big, some weigh over 100 pounds. I do occasionally catch some 60 pound flathead catfish. A 20 pound channel is a very big channel catfish.

I plan to go to a nearby Corp of Engineer's lake and fish for some white bass and walleyes soon. That lake has muskies in it but they are hard to catch.

I do have places where I can fish and run the beagles at the same time.

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Lakeland, I didn't watch your video from beginning to end without Fast Forwarding. You voice is pretty monotone and it's hard to sit through hearing you recite the date and # of every fish on the ground.

Sorry for being such a "tough critic". I was raised on Catch and Release except on rare occasion. I have kept four fish in my entire life. A 47" Muskie (caught during a W.V. Bass Federation tourney in Fairmont, WV), an 8# Largemouth (caught in a farm pond), and a 24" rainbow trout (caught when I was 13 in Cherokee, NC).

I fish a couple times a week, almost exclusively for bass. The only exception is when I have my 6 year old daughter with me. I would never dream of keeping a fish that wasn't going to be added to my wall. I get very upset with myself when I even catch one that was hooked too deep and might be hurt. The preservation of the sport we love depends on this type of behavior.

Call me crazy but I don't keep fish and I only fish with artificial lures. Even when my daughter goes and we pursue bluegill, we do it with crappie jigs, poppers, etc.

I have also never jump shot a rabbit ... which was a big discussion during season. I won't fire unless they run full circle (a real circle, not a circle you would score in a cast!).

I know I'm the exception to some rules, but... I'm pretty proud of it and hopefully I make a difference through the years. Hopefully I help preserve the sports and someone will have a better day fishing or hunting at some point down the road because I didn't feel the need to take anything home when I was on the water or in the field. Also, I may influence a younger person to do the same. I was influenced this way growing up and I am grateful to the person that taught me these ethics.

Again, I didn't hear where you said some of the fish were released but don't you think it's stressful on them to be out of the water for so long while you make your little video? You'd probably be surprised how many of those fish eventually die due to stress and / or over exposure so that your video could happen. Film them or take a pic when you catch them and then let them go at that time. Better yet, set up a tri pod and film yourself catching them. That would be much more interesting to watch and I would think it would make a better piece of history for you to keep for yourself and whomever else you would like to see it.

As I said before, nice catches. I'm not knocking that. I love to fish and a few for the frying pan is probably good sometimes. Just trying to do my part to preserve the sport.

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Good post, I had the volume down but it was bad just to see those fish laying there like that. They die if you put them on a stringer which is bad enough but just to make a video and stress them is wrong. I would hope all fish in the video were eaten and none thrown back because I'm sure 80% of the would die. It's videos like that, it gives anti hunting and anti fishing and anti gun groups ammunition. I rather see a picture of a guy who just hooked one, took a snap shot then release the fish.

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Lakeland, I didn't watch your video from beginning to end without Fast Forwarding. You voice is pretty monotone and it's hard to sit through hearing you recite the date and # of every fish on the ground.

Sorry for being such a "tough critic". I was raised on Catch and Release except on rare occasion. I have kept four fish in my entire life. A 47" Muskie (caught during a W.V. Bass Federation tourney in Fairmont, WV), an 8# Largemouth (caught in a farm pond), and a 24" rainbow trout (caught when I was 13 in Cherokee, NC).

I fish a couple times a week, almost exclusively for bass. The only exception is when I have my 6 year old daughter with me. I would never dream of keeping a fish that wasn't going to be added to my wall. I get very upset with myself when I even catch one that was hooked too deep and might be hurt. The preservation of the sport we love depends on this type of behavior.

Call me crazy but I don't keep fish and I only fish with artificial lures. Even when my daughter goes and we pursue bluegill, we do it with crappie jigs, poppers, etc.

I have also never jump shot a rabbit ... which was a big discussion during season. I won't fire unless they run full circle (a real circle, not a circle you would score in a cast!).

I know I'm the exception to some rules, but... I'm pretty proud of it and hopefully I make a difference through the years. Hopefully I help preserve the sports and someone will have a better day fishing or hunting at some point down the road because I didn't feel the need to take anything home when I was on the water or in the field. Also, I may influence a younger person to do the same. I was influenced this way growing up and I am grateful to the person that taught me these ethics.

Again, I didn't hear where you said some of the fish were released but don't you think it's stressful on them to be out of the water for so long while you make your little video? You'd probably be surprised how many of those fish eventually die due to stress and / or over exposure so that your video could happen. Film them or take a pic when you catch them and then let them go at that time. Better yet, set up a tri pod and film yourself catching them. That would be much more interesting to watch and I would think it would make a better piece of history for you to keep for yourself and whomever else you would like to see it.

As I said before, nice catches. I'm not knocking that. I love to fish and a few for the frying pan is probably good sometimes. Just trying to do my part to preserve the sport.

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Well said.

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Catfish are very hardy fish and none of the fish I released died. They were kept in a well oxygenated live well until just before the pictures were taken. Obviously, none of you guy watch the Bass Tourrnament shows on TV on Saturday mornings. Those bass, which are released, get much rougher treatment than my cats, which are much tougher than bass. Some of you guys don't impress me much with your obvious lack of experiance.
Those were MY fish and I can do with them what ever I choose to do with them. All of the big cats were released and are still alive unless someone else caught them. The crappies were released in hot grease.
Why don't you guys go and hug a tree somewhere?LOL

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I couldn't care what you do with your fish. I think most people are tired of your videos, all the are self promoting yourself. I saw one of your rabbit video a friend bought it was the most boring videos I ever watched. A camera point at tree line and not moving with dogs barking in the distance for 10 minutes isn't to exciting. If your other videos are like that, they should arrest you for fraud!! lol Just my humble opinion.

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Not taking sides but Catfish can stay out of the water for a long time and they will still survive after turning them back in they are a very hardy fish

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I have been a tournament bass fisherman for years. My experience doesn't come from watching it on television, as you stated yours does. You have no idea of the steps that bass fishermen take to protect their catch. All you see on tv is them being held up in the air for an instant.

I hope you choke on one of the fish, I truly do. You are a true ass and it's a shame to have you involved in the things that I enjoy doing and try to preserve. Your videos are as boring as they come and listening to your voice is like hearing Ben Stein read from a telephone book. You are a pathetic excuse for a man, a sportsman, and a person in general.

You obviously have personal issues because you take great offense to any comment anyone makes about any of your posts, no matter the opinion. One of the greatest parts of the internet and a message board such as this one is to be able to get others opinions and debate differences of opinions with them. My opinion of you is that you are a waste of human flesh. I'm entitled to my opinion.

By the way, before you talk about peoples "experiance" (as you spelled it) you should learn to at least spell it properly. It's not that difficult of a word. This only heightens our knowledge of your level of intelligence.

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LOL calm down Scott dont let him get under your skin LOL
ever up this way give me a shout we will go run the dogs

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I have been a tournament bass fisherman for years. My experience doesn't come from watching it on television, as you stated yours does. You have no idea of the steps that bass fishermen take to protect their catch. All you see on tv is them being held up in the air for an instant.

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Keep fishing!!!!!!!!!Eat what you catch!!!!!!!!!!If keeping and eating the fish you catch is unsportsmanlike then so wouldnt rabbit hunting,deer hunting,turkey hunting etc be unsportsmanlike??????????????????If you dont like the guys videos then dont watch them.No body braking your finger to click on them.Lakeland,KEEP FISHING AND MAKING YOUR VIDEOS. Thanks Tim

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LOL.

This is what I like. Good debates and different opinions.

Jackbob -
To answer your question about what is done with the fish after a tournament...
It depends on which tournament trail it is. Some are released at the ramp site and some have special transportation boats that drop the fish in different areas of the lake. Sometimes there are morons lined up along the bank trying to catch the fish when they get put back into the water because they don't have the skills to go out and find them on their own. When this happens, the bass are put back into live wells and taken back out into the lake to be released. You are absolutely right about tournament bass having some stress. Many steps are taken, though, to reduce this stress as much as possible, unlike throwing them on the ground to take a video of them. There have been many studies done on this subject. Bass have been tagged with tracking devices and monitored for long periods of time after being released from tournaments. These monitors track not only their movements, but also their physical condition.

"Research has now shown that simply exposing fish to air is also stressful. The point here is that while some handling is unavoidable, it should be kept to a minimum, and fish should not be exposed to air any longer than is absolutely necessary." - This was my point with Dave's fish. Handling them is one thing. Allowing them to flop around on a tarp is another.

You also have to look at the money returned to the conservation of the sport. Just look at B.A.S.S., for one example. The tournaments that they have may be the cause of some fish receiving undo stress but much of the money they generate goes back into the fish, helping for better habitat and replacement of fish. This leaves the fish better, as a whole, than before they were around.

I didn't tell anyone how to fish. I offered my opinions, reasoning, and a suggestion for his videos to make them less boring. I also complimented him on his catches on more than one occasion. Catch and Release isn't because "I do", it's because it would be nice for the sport to be here for many years to come. Do you think I care if he has a hand in killing every fish in his lake? Not really. It'll never effect me what so ever. But, enough people with that mentality will effect the sport as a whole.
Also Jackbob, I think I CLEARLY had the guts to say I didn't like the guy. How much clearer would you like for it to be? You must have a reading comprehension issue if you couldn't pick up on that!

My wife saw the "FISH FEAR ME" quote on a shirt so she had that sticker made for me. It's funny and that's all it's meant to be. There aren't too many fish afraid of me and I'm no Brad Pitt. LOL.

SPURLOCKKENNELS - Who said keeping fish to eat was unsportsmanlike? I sure didn't. As a matter of fact, I stated that keeping some to eat sometimes is a good thing. Get your facts straight, Tim.

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Spurlock hit the nail on the head. If you don't like my posts, don't read them. If you don't like my videos, don't click on them. If you don't like my beagles, try not to get beat by them. LOL

Nice boat. I see boats like that every Saturday morning. They zoom up and down the lake I live on. Most of the local guysare splash and dash. All splash, no fish. My boat is 40 years old and perfect for what I do. If there was a way to prove it, I would bet that it has had a lot more fish poundage in it than any other boat in the lake. Trust me, if I wanted to buy a boat like yours, I could pay cash for it in these hard economic times. I will settle for the boat I have and the fish I catch. I reckon most readers would prefer the fish. I provde fish for lots of fish frys and there is a church bus from Chicago that comes down occasionally. Those folks love to see me coming, they know they will be eating fish that night whether they catch any or not. I believe they pray I have a good day fishing and I believe it helps. Frances Gail and I gave our fish to a widow across the cove from us today.

I reckon I should use my spell checker a little more often but, who really cares?

I do want to report an English puppy born in my back yard won 1st plce at English Days this year. And, it was not the first time a puppy from my kennels won 1st place at English Days. Let's see some of your videos if you have them.

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Does Francis Gail stand behind you while your typing and pat you on the back??? Your getting up there in age.....You better be careful patting yourself on the back, you may hurt yourself. I think the older you get the bigger the blow hard you are! JMO!

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Since there are fishermen tuned in here I have a question. My girlfriend and I recently got into Muskie fishing. Went out with a guide and learned a few tricks of the trade. We usually catch one and they are a rush to catch. Everything happens fast once a fish is on. One step we added is to get a large towel wet and lay it out in the boat to lay the fish on so that it is on a damp surface. Have a bigger net, better hook remover to get the hook out faster and keep my hands away from the teeth, and a better scale to grab its lip and weigh it while holding em up for a couple quick pictures. When we put it back in I hold it back by the tail and drift it with the boat till it makes an effort and swims off. Any additional suggestions on making the catch and release safer for the fish? So far it seems most of the blood and scars have been mine rather than the fishes!

The boat we use is probably the oldest boat on the lake. It is a 1956 16' Lone Star alluminum V-bottom that we remodeled with new stained and shellacked wood and a couple coats of Ford Blue tractor paint on the outside and white on the inside. I'm sure that on many days the biggest fish caught on the lake gets to see it. We really enjoy trolling around the lake in pursuit of the husky muskies!!

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Justsandm,you stated.You are a pathetic excuse for a man,a SPORTSMAN,and a person in general.There you are saying he is unsportsmanlike and keeping all his fish is unsportsmanlike.You also stated I hope you choke on one of the fish.I truly do.You are a true A#%.A real sportsman would not have wished that upon no one.THERE ARE YOUR FACTS.I think fishing will be around longer then any of us live.Fisherman of been catching millions of pound of fish out at sea for hundreds of years to sell to companies that process them and sell them to stores people shop at everyday.Fishing is still strong at sea if not stronger then ever before.

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Touchstone,
I don't know what they are called, but my buddy uses a contraption for "netting" muskie that works really well. It's basically 2 sticks or dowels with a towel type material in between. Imagine a scroll with a towel instead of paper. When you bring the fish to the boat, instead of bringing them into the boat you put this "net" in the water. The fish is cradled in the "towel" between the dowels.

Picture the letter U. The U is the cradle. The fish is cradled in the low point of the U, the dowels are at the top.

Hope that made sense.

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Justsandm,you stated.You are a pathetic excuse for a man,a SPORTSMAN,and a person in general.There you are saying he is unsportsmanlike and keeping all his fish is unsportsmanlike.You also stated I hope you choke on one of the fish.I truly do.You are a true A#%.A real sportsman would not have wished that upon no one.THERE ARE YOUR FACTS.I think fishing will be around longer then any of us live.Fisherman of been catching millions of pound of fish out at sea for hundreds of years to sell to companies that process them and sell them to stores people shop at everyday.Fishing is still strong at sea if not stronger then ever before.

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