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bdeventer
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feeder buckets

how many people feel feeder buckets are basically a form of cheating and unfair to the average hunter? you drive 2hrs. to a hunt and have to compete against local yokals hunting on feeder buckets. its like going to a bass tournament and having to compete against a guy who has an aquarium full of 6lb. bass and you have to fish in the lake. i think the feeder bucket guys should spend more time hunting for a good coon dog and less time puttin bait out. their ok to get a pup started but after that you should just go coon hunting in the wild. i'm thinking about starting a petition, would anybody be interested in signing it?

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and your from Michgian?lol

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I don't know about michigan but in missisippi it is already against the law to cast a hound over any type of bait. it is still done, so what good would it do. I do see what you mean if your cast s hunting woods and no buckets and the other cast is hunting buckets. I have a good idea who will bring in the best score. just luck of the draw I guess.

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i would think you could tree coons either way in michigan. come down here an hunt where there aint buckets.... your gonna walk a good ways most times. i hunt em in the hunts but usually not pleasure huntin

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Last night I went to a club hunt 2 and half hours away trying to get my first place on my gyp to make her nitech, she came in with 325+ and a second. We hunted creeks and knobs and sweat our a** off to score those 2 coon. Winning dog had 875+ hunting off feeder buckets!!! I think it is unsportsmanlike, and would love put that dog in some woods and see how he does in the wild.
I think as long as people keep hunting the feeder buckets we will not be giving each dog a fair chance at winning, instead we will be beaten by home field cheaters. I got a housecat that could tree em off feeders!!!!

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while your at it then add corn fields,cherry groves ect to the list.Not much difference in buckets verses cornfields ect.Its the luck of the draw. Best solution in my opinion is go with a cast win system.At least then you're only competing against the dogs in your cast. 4 cast hunt,If you draw "ole Harry" from up the hollow that only has his hollow to hunt with no buckets and the other 3 cast draw buckets you have just as good as chance of "putting a win" on your dog as the other cast.

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I think it is unsportsmanlike, and would love put that dog in some woods and see how he does in the wild.


you cant blame that dog for drawing a good guide. its not his fault. and just because they run up a score on feeders doesnt mean they cant look good in the wild.

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they can turn my dog on all they want. that saves me from walking a mile and wasting the 2hrs.

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If someone wants to tittle there dog on feeder buckets thats fine with me they dont have much when there done take that dog off the buckets and there worth about 15cents

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This again? Anyone who argues about cutting loose off a feeder bucket should be clubbed. People hunt silage piles, grape patches, sweet corn, brooks, mulberry groves, and swamps for one reason..coon are there because there's food there. A bucket doesn't guarantee a strike, or a tree. It just keeps coon in an area...or in some cases away from roads or private/ posted land. There is ZERO difference to a dog whether it strikes a coon when cast toward a feeder, or cast down a brook. It comes across a coon, and strikes. Half the coon most people tree were on there way to or from a garbage can, bird feeder, or a dumpster. Wanna sound dumb?...bash the use of coon feeders.

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This again? Anyone who argues about cutting loose off a feeder bucket should be clubbed. People hunt silage piles, grape patches, sweet corn, brooks, mulberry groves, and swamps for one reason..coon are there because there's food there. A bucket doesn't guarantee a strike, or a tree. It just keeps coon in an area...or in some cases away from roads or private/ posted land. There is ZERO difference to a dog whether it strikes a coon when cast toward a feeder, or cast down a brook. It comes across a coon, and strikes. Half the coon most people tree were on there way to or from a garbage can, bird feeder, or a dumpster. Wanna sound dumb?...bash the use of coon feeders.
Well I think you summed that one up pretty good. MJFlORES you just saved me alot of typing. lol

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I wouldn't be too hard on feeder buckets, they're no worse than hackberry thickets and blackberry bushes; some place the coon visit on a regular basis. I've seen good hounds minus out on all these locations. I drew out with a young female that was raised on feeder buckets, I was hunting a tight wound young dog that would blow through a short quarter on every turn out. That female minused out in short order on feeder buckets; she hit every one, problem was the coon hadn't got there yet. That young dog that would blow through a quarter didn't know those buckets existed, but he treed two singles on top of the ridge.

Sometimes lots of coon in small places are worse than no coon at all.

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i would think you could tree coons either way in michigan. come down here an hunt where there aint buckets.... your gonna walk a good ways most times. i hunt em in the hunts but usually not pleasure huntin


Depends on whats on the end of your leash. Not trying to say that your dogs are no good or that mine are world beaters, but I will tell you this. Up until 4 years ago I lived and hunted in Iowa in "thick" coon. Now I live and hunt in Tennessee in so called "thin" coon. I NEVER hunt on buckets unless I get dumped on them by a guide in a hunt. I have no problem treeing coon pleasure hunting without buckets and I don't do alot of walking to get it done. If I did I would get a different dog, not make excuses for the one I got.

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Also there is a world of difference between a 300 acre corn field with coon spread throughout it and a single bucket with several coon on it. In a field a dog has to go hunting to find a coon. On buckets all they have to know is where the bucket is and any guide that would dump you on a bucket is doing it for his benefit, not the benefit of the rest of his cast. You can bet he has hunted them buckets enough in the weeks leading up to the hunt that his dog knows where they are.

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The difference in buckets and blackberrys, sweet corn, and the such is that the buckets are there for month after month and the berries and other nateral foods are there for just a short period of time. Coon stay on the buckets, but coon travel all over to find other food sources. I will not hunt or train off buckets, I want my dogs hunting and treeing as nature intended, personally I consider bucket dogs in one class and none bucket dogs in another. Some people are just imitation coon hunters, thats the ones that hate to excert themslves and then you have the real coonhunter who follows his dog to wherever and through whatever. Like master like dog I guess.

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Re: feeders

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The difference in buckets and blackberrys, sweet corn, and the such is that the buckets are there for month after month and the berries and other nateral foods are there for just a short period of time. Coon stay on the buckets, but coon travel all over to find other food sources. I will not hunt or train off buckets, I want my dogs hunting and treeing as nature intended, personally I consider bucket dogs in one class and none bucket dogs in another. Some people are just imitation coon hunters, thats the ones that hate to excert themslves and then you have the real coonhunter who follows his dog to wherever and through whatever. Like master like dog I guess.


Well put.

I bet these bucket hunters bait their Turkey and deer, and catch all their fish in a little small farm pond with fish food. Proud of their nice kills and fresh catches off of their little bunny holes.. I mean honey holes.

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Its amazing what some people think. A coon is a coon. The dog dont know that its so called an "easy coon''. They just know its a coon and run and tree it. We strike at a bucket probably 50% of the time. It in no way is easy most go further than a wild coon. Its a part of hunting if they dont stike at the bucket they keep going to tree a coon. I hunt all around rivers, standing corn, hollows, and BUCKETS. The dogs dont know what the difference is between them. When you draw out at a hunt its jus a luck of the draw you can draw out on thick wild coon and tree a bunch of coon and you can turn out on hot buckets on a bad night and not come back with plus points. A coon dog will tree a coon in any condition if you aint got a dog to win under these conditions stay home.

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I don't belong to any clubs as far as membership goes, and travel to several different clubs. I have drawn cast both ways and consistantly won hunts in the wild and off buckets on the other mans stomping grounds. In any event it takes a good hound or some luck on your side or sometimes both. I really enjoy it either way. I think it makes it even more fun to win if you feel the guide has an advantage because of buckets. just my opinion. djames

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the he!!!! with a dog that has to have a feeder to win or tree a coon thats not a coondog thats a feeder dog. I'AM 25 i'll walk all night to go get my dog off a wild coon if i got to if your that lazy you half to hunt feeders quit hunting your just making hot nose lazy dogs!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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This again? Anyone who argues about cutting loose off a feeder bucket should be clubbed. People hunt silage piles, grape patches, sweet corn, brooks, mulberry groves, and swamps for one reason..coon are there because there's food there. A bucket doesn't guarantee a strike, or a tree. It just keeps coon in an area...or in some cases away from roads or private/ posted land. There is ZERO difference to a dog whether it strikes a coon when cast toward a feeder, or cast down a brook. It comes across a coon, and strikes. Half the coon most people tree were on there way to or from a garbage can, bird feeder, or a dumpster. Wanna sound dumb?...bash the use of coon feeders.


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This again? Anyone who argues about cutting loose off a feeder bucket should be clubbed. People hunt silage piles, grape patches, sweet corn, brooks, mulberry groves, and swamps for one reason..coon are there because there's food there. A bucket doesn't guarantee a strike, or a tree. It just keeps coon in an area...or in some cases away from roads or private/ posted land. There is ZERO difference to a dog whether it strikes a coon when cast toward a feeder, or cast down a brook. It comes across a coon, and strikes. Half the coon most people tree were on there way to or from a garbage can, bird feeder, or a dumpster. Wanna sound dumb?...bash the use of coon feeders.


Now that's funny I don't care who you are.
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This again? Anyone who argues about cutting loose off a feeder bucket should be clubbed. People hunt silage piles, grape patches, sweet corn, brooks, mulberry groves, and swamps for one reason..coon are there because there's food there. A bucket doesn't guarantee a strike, or a tree. It just keeps coon in an area...or in some cases away from roads or private/ posted land. There is ZERO difference to a dog whether it strikes a coon when cast toward a feeder, or cast down a brook. It comes across a coon, and strikes. Half the coon most people tree were on there way to or from a garbage can, bird feeder, or a dumpster. Wanna sound dumb?...bash the use of coon feeders.



DING DING DING !!!!!


We have a winner.


You guys that have LOADS of coon will NEVER understand what its like to hunt in thin coon.


I bet 90% of you wouldn't even hunt in thin coon.

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DING DING DING !!!!!


We have a winner.


You guys that have LOADS of coon will NEVER understand what its like to hunt in thin coon.


I bet 90% of you wouldn't even hunt in thin coon.



WE all tend to try and turn things to black and white. But Hobo hit the the point of contention square on the head...........in thick coon, a coon off a feeder bucket is probably no different from a hot feeder track. But in thin coon.....in a two hour competition hunt......where the guide has been hunting his hound off those buckets for weeks on end.........the difference can be huge. Dogs A,B and C cast to the right while dog D knows the bucket is to the left, and bingo......first strike. Only track that night..........that's hard to beat.

I sure wish more breeders tried harder to come up with hard, SMART hunters.

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i hunt in 1500 acres of thin coon,however at differant times in a two hour hunt you may spend the first hour finding the first coon then you will keep treeing coon like over a feeder.
the thing here is finding which area has the food at a given time i have guided this area about 6 times and we have had 2 casts get there first place for night champion and last fall my old english frmale made high scoring female at our english sectional.
so tell me whats the differance between this and feeder buckets, i do have an area i have buckets out part time to keep the coon close for starting young pups. this area holds 10 white tail deer for every one coon. the porkies have been live trapped and moved so there no problem like they were

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brandon if you are talking about me you are wrong . little ricky hunts feeders and he hunts dogs for you and your dad , buy the way your dad asked me to hunt a dog for you guys in that all week long pkc hunts or is this post because i took 1st and you guys took 2nd and 3rd . any how i still congrats you guys for having good dogs . just dont knock other people its not good to be that way ,any questions give me a call at 517-748-0494 jeff teague

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