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What is the rule on agression now? If a dog is growling when you turn them loose, nothing can be done unless the dog interferes with the other dogs right?

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to scratch a dog for fighting you must have both interference and agressive behavior. but you can scratch for agressive behavoir if he is interfering with the other dogs. like growling at the other dogs keeping them off the tree.

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Wrong! To scratch for fighting, all you need is a fight. Nothing else.
To scratch for attempting to fight, you need aggression and interference.

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thats what I thought. last night as we turned loose, my dog growled as they ran down the edge of a pond, the judge told me he was going to scratch the dog on the next drop if he did it again. I didnt think he could be scratched for growling as long as there was no interference. Some people just think they are "GOD" when they are handed a pen and told to judge.

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Anytime a judge tells me he is gonna scratch a dog sometime in the future FOR ANYTHING....we are going back to the MOH right now because that judge has just said that he is not willing to judge in a fair and impartial manner. If the dog committed a scratch offense, scratch him. If not, don't think your gonna go gunning for him in the future.

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thank you JiM! Like I said before...Some people just think they are "GOD" when they are handed a pen and told to judge. I dont understand, why some people can't just handle the competition. They try to get people out of the hunt with any reason they can. "PENCIL WHIPPERS"

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I think it usually has something to do with what is on the end of their leash. I see it most often when someone is hunting a 9 year old dog with 3 wins toward grand.

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amen. I'm fairly new at the competition hunting, and dont know exactly all the rules by heart. I ended up withdrawing my dog after that drop to keep from getting him scratched. Funny part was, the other dogs went in struck and treed, my dog never opened his mouth, he finally came walking up around us. He made me handle him, they shined the tree, declared it a den and the found a possum 10 ft high in a sapling about 1 ft. from the base of the "den" tree.

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My GrNt has left out a growl on the first drop of almost every hunt he has been in. It is right off the leash and the last it is heard all nite. I inform the cast when the judge asks for any questions or things you want to say about your dog. I tell them that my dog will leave out a growl coming of the leash on the first drop and we won't hear it again. No fight, no interference....no scratch. I have had a laugh or two when someone comments on it and then two(and I have seen three) dogs ball up at the tree and he never misses a beat treeing.

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I can understand that. My dog NEVER growls!! Im not sure if this dog even growls at a coon? Live or dead! I dont know why he was growling, but when the other dogs hit the edge of the timber, he turned and came back to us. So like I told them, the growling didnt do him no good! so obviously, he wasnt trying to be a threat. I will do exactly what JiM said next time though. I'm not wasting my time or money to go to a hunt and someone pencil whip me into withdrawing.

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u can sctratch a dog in ukc for showing any kind of aggresion in a hunt,they can scratch one for growling at any time in a 2 hr hunt

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u can sctratch a dog in ukc for showing any kind of aggresion in a hunt,they can scratch one for growling at any time in a 2 hr hunt

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If a dog growls in a 2 hr cast under a judge,and it is around dogs they can scratch the dog on the spot for showing aggresion towards the other dogs n the cast

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you cant scratch the dog for just growling. The dog has to INTERFERE with the other dogs by growling. Like RIP said "To be scratched for attempting to fight they have to have both parts of the rule, agressive behavior, AND interferance by the definition above."

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Originally posted by JiM
Wrong! To scratch for fighting, all you need is a fight. Nothing else.
To scratch for attempting to fight, you need aggression and interference.

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amen. I'm fairly new at the competition hunting, and dont know exactly all the rules by heart. I ended up withdrawing my dog after that drop to keep from getting him scratched. Funny part was, the other dogs went in struck and treed, my dog never opened his mouth, he finally came walking up around us. He made me handle him, they shined the tree, declared it a den and the found a possum 10 ft high in a sapling about 1 ft. from the base of the "den" tree.

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no, he said I had to handle him since he came in to the tree. He never opened his mouth on the tree, I dont know if that has anything to do with it or not. I asked him to show me a rule that said I had to handle him but he couldnt find it on the back of the scorecard.

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i dont thank you can withdraw a dog in cast when aggresion
is ??? but maybe that has been changed?

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Wrong! To scratch for fighting, all you need is a fight. Nothing else.
To scratch for attempting to fight, you need aggression and interference.

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There is no requirement of interference to scratch a dog for fighting. The only time interference is required is when you scratch a dog for attempting to fight.

There is scratched for fighting
There is scratched for attempting to fight.
Both have the same end result, scratched and written up for fighting. However, the rules applied to them ARE NOT the same.

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thats right. i forgot that the interference part applys to scratching a dog for attempting to fight.

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i dont thank you can withdraw a dog in cast when aggresion
is ??? but maybe that has been changed?

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no, he said I had to handle him since he came in to the tree. He never opened his mouth on the tree, I dont know if that has anything to do with it or not. I asked him to show me a rule that said I had to handle him but he couldnt find it on the back of the scorecard.

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ok thats what I asked him to show me, he just couldnt find it on the scorecard. I've been on hunts before where the judges dog came in and "wandered" around at the tree and the judge wouldnt handle the dog. The dog would eventually go on in the 10 minutes of shine time and we would have to recast once he finally struck again. I've got all of my answers now, thanks guys! I know where to come for any of my other rules questions. I just want my dog to have the same fair chance as the rest of the dogs out there. Its a 50/50 situation the dog does its part and the handler has to do their part. Which to me is calling the dog right and knowing the rules.

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Originally posted by Rip
Well he was right about that. It's under rule 17

"...............Dogs declared treed within hunting time, are eligible for scoring. When hunting time is up, cast can go directly to tree. DOGS AT TREE MUST BE LEASHED. Judges are not to let hunters call dogs off a trail without counting those points minus..........."

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