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Gr Ch Gr Nt Ch Clear River Blue Diamond Jimmy HTX2

Gr Ch Gr Nt Ch Clear River Blue Diamond Jimmy HTX2 is now in Athens, Alabama. If interested in breeding to him, contact Sherrill Schrimsher. His home # is 256-729-8628 and his cell # is 256-874-1294. I still own Jimmy so if anyone has any question about him or what he is throwing, don't hesitate to call me.

2012-2013 Performance and Super Stakes Sire



--------------------Gr Nt Ch Platner's Bl. Mash
---------------Ch Gr Nt Ch Slife's Blue Rambo
--------------------Nt Ch Jacopian's Blue Sally
----------Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Smiley's Blue Rambo II
--------------------Gr Nt Ch Uchtman's So. Blue Hawk
---------------Ch Gr Nt Ch Smiley's Misti Blue
--------------------Nt Ch Smiley's Rock Ann
-----Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Clear River Diamond Jim
--------------------Nt Ch Dryfork Blue Spud
---------------Smokey River Blue Spud
--------------------Smokey River DTS Mandy
----------Gr Nt Ch Clear River Curlee
--------------------Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Sexton's Blue Jimmy
---------------Nt Ch Smokey River Be's Blue Jean
--------------------Nt Ch Smokey River Jbell's Be
Gr Ch Gr Nt Ch Clear River Blue Diamond Jimmy HTX2
--------------------Nt Ch Dryfork Blue Spud
---------------Nt Ch Smokey River JBS Cheif
--------------------Smokey River BB's J-Bell
----------Ch Gr Nt Ch Smokey River Chiefs Bl Dancer
--------------------Nt Ch Rockcreek Blue Smokey
---------------Harlin's OK Blu Punkin
--------------------Uchtmans Dottie
-----Nt Ch Clear River Blue Slammer
--------------------Nt Ch Smoky River Cryin Jack
--------------Gr Ch Oklahoma Hard Rock
--------------------Smoky River Maybell II
----------Ch Gr Nt Ch Hefley's Bros KC
--------------------Vaughn's Blue Bo
---------------Hefley's Bros. May
--------------------Nt Ch Hefley's Bros. Glassey

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2 females out of Jimmy and Smokey River Get'R'Done Maxy



---------------Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Smiley's Blue Rambo II
----------Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Clear River Diamond Jim
---------------Gr Nt Ch Clear River Curlee
-----Gr Ch Gr Nt Ch Clear River Blue Diamond Jimmy HTX2
---------------Ch Gr Nt Ch Smokey River Chiefs Bl Dancer
----------Nt Ch Clear River Blue Slammer
---------------Ch Gr Nt Ch Hefley's Bros KC
Jewell, Bell, and Molly
---------------Gr Nt Ch Mighty Blue Jake
----------Gr Ch Gr Nt Ch Tangi River Blue Easy
---------------Ch Nt Ch Tucker's Hammering Bl Frankie
-----Gr Ch Gr Nt Ch Smokey River Git'R'Done Maxy HTX2
---------------Gr Ch Gr Nt Ch Clear River Diamond Jim II
----------Nt Ch Martin's Mighty Blue Raven
---------------Ch Mighty Blue Bobby Sue

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Molly on left

Jimmy x Maxy female

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Little Snap - Clear River Jimmy x Wild N Blue Snap (L)
Ohio Valley Blue Tick IX - OVB Tick VIII x OVB Sparkle (R)



---------------Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Smiley's Blue Rambo II
----------Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Clear River Diamond Jim
---------------Gr Nt Ch Clear River Curlee
-----Gr Ch Gr Nt Ch Clear River Blue Diamond Jimmy HTX2
---------------Ch Gr Nt Ch Smokey River Chiefs Bl Dancer
----------Nt Ch Clear River Blue Slammer
---------------Ch Gr Nt Ch Hefley's Bros KC
Snap and Minnie Mouse
---------------Gr Nt Ch B&D's Mr. Blue
----------Ch Gr Nt Ch B&D's Blue Spike
---------------Gr Nt Ch Ferris' Blue Kelly
-----Gr Nt Ch Clearfork Wild-N-Blue Snap HTX
---------------Gr Nt Ch Manns' Wild-N-Blue Spanky
----------NGRNC Gr Nt Ch Wild-N-Blue Lou
---------------Nt Ch Kankakee River Jitney Blue

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Minnie Mouse

2nd cross of Jimmy x Snap

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Jimmy x Ohio Valley Blue Sparkle





---------------Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Smiley's Blue Rambo II
----------Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Clear River Diamond Jim
---------------Gr Nt Ch Clear River Curlee
-----Gr Ch Gr Nt Ch Clear River Blue Diamond Jimmy HTX2
---------------Ch Gr Nt Ch Smokey River Chiefs Bl Dancer
----------Nt Ch Clear River Blue Slammer
---------------Ch Gr Nt Ch Hefley's Bros KC
Ohio Valley Blue Jesse James
---------------Gr Ch Gr Nt Ch Smokey River Jeans Tramp
----------Ch Gr Nt Ch Anderson Blue Jake
---------------Sanderson's Fawn River Lacey
-----Ohio Valley Blue Sparkle HTX
---------------Gr Nt Ch Ch McKinney's All Blue Sparky
----------Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Hinton's Blue Ann
---------------Hinton's Sweet Sara

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Talked with Donald Hall in Mississippi Saturday evening. He sent me a picture of his male out of Clear River Diamond Jimmy and Sherrill's female. Donald said his male has brains, drive, big mouth, can really drive a track with his head up off the ground, and uses the wind to get treed. This is what Jimmy is bringing to the table and those traits are what I hear about pups off every female that has been bred to Jimmy. Worst traits that I have heard about Jimmy pups, which Donald also said about his pup, is that they are wired too tight as pups and until they get hunted, they are a handful if not allowed to run.

Here's Donald's 2 year old Jimmy dog. Donald said he is getting ready to get him in some hunts.

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Four of those young dogs pictured above were put in the woods for the first time by me. Their pictures were taken on the wood between their first and seventh trip to the woods. The picture of Bell was on her first tree. Molly and Jesse both treed coon ahead of Grand Night females before their 10th hunt and they weren't close by when they did. Those young dogs weren't exposed to drags or cage coon before I hunted them. Naturally starting dogs with go and speed in them. Almost all of the young dogs out of Jimmy are owned by mainly pleasure hunters in West Virginia but there should be some of his young dogs hitting the hunts this year. I wish them the best in the hunts but the main thing is that they are enjoying them.

Contact Mr. Sherell Schrimsher, Athens, Alabama if interested in breeding to Jimmy. Home # is 256-729-8628, Cell # is 256-874-1294. Sherell's female is also bred to Jimmy again and should have pups in a couple months. Proven cross.

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Douglass Maximillion

Would you know is he out of Jimmy or Jim?

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Re: Douglass Maximillion

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Would you know is he out of Jimmy or Jim?


He is a littermate to the Jewell, Molly, and Bell female shown above. Scott Douglas bought Max around 6 months old and treed a lot coon with him that summer. There were also 3 more littermates to them that ran and treed naturally from that litter. There was only one out of that litter of 8 that I don't know anything about.

Their mother, Maxy, on the left

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Thanks for the info

Max's only son is heading to Virginia. Like I said on the phone I should not of priced him, when will I ever learn.

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Congrats David Smith

Jewell and David won another PKC cast last night. Keep up the good work.

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Jimmy is Super Staked for pups born this season. I will not be enrolling him in the Super Stakes program next year, so if anyone would like a litter out of him that will be Super Stakes eligible, call Sherrill at 256-729-8628.

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Sherell took Jimmy to the vet for a sperm count Tuesday. He checked out and is good to go. Jimmy is throwing the kinds of pups that a lot of people are looking for. Drive, big mouths, brains, & winding ability. I felt like letting Sherell take him to Alabama would be a good way to make that bloodline available in another part of the country. If anyone thinks they can use him in their program, please call either Sherell or myself.
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Dual Grand Clear River Blue Diamond Jimmy HTX2 is now owned by myself and Sherrill Schrimsher in Athens, Alabama. Jimmy will be at Sherrill's home in Alabama. He will be paid up as a PKC Super Stakes Sire for the 2013-2014 season and the 2014 UKC Performance Program. If anyone is interested in breeding to him, please give me or Sherrill a call. His number is 256-729-8628.

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At Stud in Athens, Alabama

UKC Grand Show Champion Grand Night Champion AKC Supreme Grand Show Champion PKC Super Stakes Sire Clear River Blue Diamond Jimmy HTX2

Contact Sherill Schrimsher at 256-729-8628 or 256-874-1294 for Stud Service on Jimmy.

If your looking for brains, speed, independence, and loud mouths, Jimmy might be one to look at.

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I met Sherrill in Kentucky yesterday to deliver his females. He is now the owner of these females and is planning on raising some pups from them and Jimmy in the future. Sherrill's Sue female is currently bred to Jimmy and he should have some pups from them soon. They will be UKC Performanced and Super Stake eligible.



------------Nt Ch Dryfork Blue Spud
---------Nt Ch Smokey River JBS Cheif
------------Smokey River BB's J-Bell
------FCH Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Vining Runnin Bullet
------------Gr Nt Ch Coz' Spare Time Spanky
---------Gr Nt Ch Smokey River Crazys Blue Fly
------------Gr Nt Ch Rob's Crazy
---Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Appels Blue Oak Bullet
------------Gr Nt Ch Northern Blue Jet IV
---------Gr Nt Ch Northern Blue Jet V
------------Nt Ch Hoosier C.C. Lady II
------Jet V's Blue Candy
------------Gr Nt Ch Coz' Spare Time Spanky
---------Indian's Blueridge Billy Blue
------------Spare Time Spot
Ch Double AA Whiskey Blue Rose HTX
------------Nt Ch Smokey River JBS Cheif
---------FC Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Vining Runnin Bullet
------------Gr Nt Ch Ch Smokey River Crazys Blue Fly
------Gr Nt Ch Ch Bullet's Runnin Ratter
------------Gr Nt Ch Northern Blue Jet V
---------Ch Turkey Creek Mandy II
------------Nt Ch Turkey Creek Mandy
---Nt Ch Rattlers' Runnin Rose
------------Gr Nt Ch Uchtman's SB. Blue Scout
---------Ch Gr Nt Ch Uchtman's So. Blue Hornet
------------Nt Ch Kuks Backwoods Blue Bell
------Gr Nt Ch Langan's Blue Suzie II
------------Gr Nt Ch Coz' Spare Time Spanky
---------Nt Ch Langan Bl Bell
------------Gr Nt Ch Ch Foleys Smokey River Blue Annie


------------Gr Nt Ch Slife's Blue Rambo
---------Nt Ch Ch Georgia Blue Abe
------------Partin's Blue Polly
------Gr Nt Ch B&D's Mr. Blue
------------Nt Ch McKinney's Ala Blue Hawk
---------Georgia Blue Britches
------------Hack's Blue Sue
---Ch Gr Nt Ch B&D's Blue Spike
------------Gr Nt Ch Kirby's Blue Buzz
---------Gr Nt Ch Kirby's Blue Spike
------------Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Douglas' Blue Gert
------Gr Nt Ch Ferris' Blue Kelly
------------Gr Nt Ch Northern Blue Jet IV
---------Nt Ch Ch Recker's Turtle Cr Bobbie
------------Ash Blue Tracer
Nt Ch Gr Ch Clearfork Blue Cricket
------------Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Russ' Treein Blue Luke
---------Gr Nt Ch Coz' Spare Time Spanky
------------Junkyard Blue Peg
------Gr Nt Ch Manns' Wild-N-Blue Spanky
------------Neibarger's Warrior II
---------Neibarger's Dixie Blue
------------Neibarger's Blue Babe
---NGRNC Gr Nt Ch Wild-N-Blue Lou
------------Gr Nt Ch Mann's Steeldriving Dan
---------Blueboy Dan
------------Steeldriving Saddie
------Nt Ch Kankakee River Jitney Blue
------------Gr Nt Ch Northern Blue Jet V
---------Havious' Blue Indiana Kandi
------------Gray's Midnite Pepper



---------Nt Ch Uchtman's Blue Albert II
------Gr Ch Gr Nt Ch Uchtman's Blue Albert III
---------Uchtman's Blue Robin
---Nt Ch Gr Ch Mickeys Freeway Blue John
---------Ch Gr Nt Ch Uchtmans Blue Albert
------Nt Ch Uchtman's Blue Polkie
---------Nt Ch Gr Ch Uchtman's So. Bl. Jessie II
Hubbard's Mid Ohio Skeeter
---------Ch Gr Nt Ch Smokey River Chiefs Blue Bum
------One Creek Thunder
---------Blazin Blue Bullet's Blue Lady
---Killians Tree Choppin Pepper
---------Ch One Creek Snake
------One Creek Sadie
---------Cowboy Country Blue Mandy

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Sherrill's Sue female is due with pups from Jimmy in a couple weeks. He said she is getting big. This is a 3rd time cross with good results from the first two crosses. The pups will be Super Staked and Performance nominated.

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------------------Gr Nt Ch Uchtman's So. Bl. Ranger II
---------------Nt Ch Ch Uchtman's Ranger III
------------------Uchtman's So. Blue Sue II
------------Gr Nt Ch Platner's Bl. Mash
------------------Gr Nt Ch Uchtmans S. Blue Hammer
---------------Gr Nt Ch Uchtman's So. Bl. Flash II
------------------Nt Ch Uchtmans So. Blue Flash
---------Ch Gr Nt Ch Slife's Blue Rambo
------------------Perryman's Blue Driver
---------------Perryman's Blue Rowdy
------------------Perryman's Blue Kitty
------------Nt Ch Jacopian's Blue Sally
------------------Nt Ch Perryman's Blue John
---------------Perryman's Blue Nell
------------------Underwood's Blue Kate
------Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Smiley's Blue Rambo II
------------------Ch Gr Nt Ch Beans Ranger
---------------Nt Ch Uchtman's Blue Rebel
------------------Gr Nt Ch Uchtmans Blue Fly
------------Gr Nt Ch Uchtman's So. Blue Hawk
------------------Gr Nt Ch Uchtman's So. Bl. Ranger II
---------------Ch Gr Nt Ch Uchtman's Blue Carol
------------------Pardon's Blue Ghost
---------Ch Gr Nt Ch Smiley's Misti Blue
------------------Ennis' Blue Snow
---------------Gr Nt Ch Wilmoth's Solid Rock
------------------Smith's Blue Sky
------------Nt Ch Smiley's Rock Ann
------------------Gr Nt Ch Indiana Blue Rebel
---------------Coblentz' Blue Dixie
------------------Coblentz' Blue Dutchess
---Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Clear River Diamond Jim
------------------Gr Nt Ch Deans N. Blue Hammer III
---------------Gr Nt Ch Bryant's Blue Slammer
------------------Bryant's Blue Belle
------------Nt Ch Dryfork Blue Spud
------------------Ch Gr Nt Ch Muddy Boggy Blue Dobber
---------------Bryant's Blue Sammie
------------------Dawson's Wolf Crk Granny
---------Smokey River Blue Spud
------------------Moreau River Ranger
---------------Smokey River Blue Grover
------------------Braden's Singing Sally
------------Smokey River DTS Mandy
------------------Gr Nt Ch Smokey River Bl. Diam. Jim
---------------Smoky River Blue Dot
------------------Neely's Blue Tina
------Gr Nt Ch Clear River Curlee
------------------Nt Ch Uchtman's Blue Rebel
---------------Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Davis' Blue Scooter
------------------Nt Ch Stowers' Blue Sadie Mae
------------Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Sexton's Blue Jimmy
------------------Gr Nt Ch Gr Ch Tx Tr Banging Bl. Casey
---------------Gr Ch May's Blue Pretty
------------------Nt Ch Gr Ch May's Blue Clipper
---------Nt Ch Smokey River Be's Blue Jean
------------------Gr Nt Ch Bryant's Blue Slammer
---------------Nt Ch Dryfork Blue Spud
------------------Bryant's Blue Sammie
------------Nt Ch Smokey River Jbell's Be
------------------Nt Ch Jones' Cedar Hill Bl. Jay
---------------Smokey River BB's J-Bell
------------------Smokey River Maybles BB
Gr Ch Gr Nt Ch Clear River Blue Diamond Jimmy HTX2
------------------Gr Nt Ch Deans N. Blue Hammer III
---------------Gr Nt Ch Bryant's Blue Slammer
------------------Bryant's Blue Belle
------------Nt Ch Dryfork Blue Spud
------------------Ch Gr Nt Ch Muddy Boggy Blue Dobber
---------------Bryant's Blue Sammie
------------------Dawson's Wolf Crk Granny
---------Nt Ch Smokey River JBS Cheif
------------------Gr Nt Ch Bar-L Smoky R. Bl. Jerry
---------------Nt Ch Jones' Cedar Hill Bl. Jay
------------------Timberhill Bl. Bell
------------Smokey River BB's J-Bell
------------------Nt Ch Smokey River Sundown
---------------Smokey River Maybls BB
------------------Smokey River Blue Maybl
------Ch Gr Nt Ch Smokey River Chiefs Bl Dancer
------------------Ch Gr Nt Ch Fleetwood's True Boy II
---------------Blue Smokey
------------------Gaither's Blue Nell
------------Nt Ch Rockcreek Blue Smokey
------------------Blue Music Sounder
---------------Nt Ch Stephens' Blue Lily
------------------Ch East's Valley Blue Polly
---------Harlin's OK Blu Punkin
------------------Nt Ch Ch Uchtman's Ranger III
---------------Gr Nt Ch Platner's Bl. Mash
------------------Gr Nt Ch Uchtman's So. Bl. Flash II
------------Uchtmans Dottie
------------------Nt Ch Uchtman's Blue Rebel
---------------Nt Ch Uchtman's Blue Elvira
------------------Ch Gr Nt Ch Uchtman's Blue Carol
---Nt Ch Clear River Blue Slammer
------------------Gr Nt Ch Smokey River Blue Spot
---------------Nt Ch Combs' Smoky River Jack
------------------Hammons' Blue Tina
------------Nt Ch Smoky River Cryin Jack
------------------Smokey River Blue Bart
---------------Smokey River Bl Cry Baby
------------------Nixons Blue Fly
---------Gr Ch Oklahoma Hard Rock
------------------Gr Nt Ch Smokey River Bl. Diam. Jim
---------------Nt Ch Smokey River Sundown
------------------Smokey River Blue Kit
------------Smoky River Maybell II
------------------Smokey River Rambler II
---------------Smokey River Blue Maybl
------------------Nt Ch Smokey Ri. Okla. Blue Belle
------Ch Gr Nt Ch Hefley's Bros KC
------------------Vaughn's Blue Buck II
---------------Vaughn's Blue Butch
------------------Blue Lady
------------Vaughn's Blue Bo
------------------Vaughn's Blue Bawler IV
---------------Vaughn's Blue Nell
------------------Wise's Blue Judy II
---------Hefley's Bros. May
------------------Nt Ch Pattersons Blue Duke
---------------Nt Ch Anderson's Bigcreek Jim
------------------Smoky River Jims Tonie
------------Nt Ch Hefley's Bros. Glassey
------------------Ch Dansby's Blue Ranger
---------------Allred's Blue Luecy
------------------Nt Ch Jacpine blue Topsie

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Sherill's Sue female had 5 males and 3 females last Monday off of Clear River Jimmy. He also has a litter that was born this Monday out of his female from a previous cross of Jimmy x Sue and Hollywood Rambo. Both litters will be UKC and PKC registered and Performance and Super Stake eligible.

Sherill's home number is 256-729-8628 and cell number is 256-874-1294.

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How many pups does Jimmy have on the ground and how many are titled or have wins? What type of pups is he throwing? Are they straight line hunters?

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He has over a 100 but not sure how many. He has a couple I know of out of Maxy that have wins. One has a first and a fifth and the guy quit competition hunting and David Smith's gyp has 3 seconds and getting close to $500 in PKC. I know of one out of Snap that has money won in PKC. I have one out of Snap that I might competition hunt next year if I decide to hunt competition again. There are probably more that I don't know about. The vast majority of his pups are owned by pleasure hunters and there has been a fairly good number that have died in accidents for some reason or another. I've heard good things from about every cross we've made. The common description of Jimmy pups has been smart, loud, lots of go and desire, extra fast on track, big mouths, and they started pretty easy. I've been told that some of them, even though they start easy and run and tree, still have some puppy in them at a year old. Some of the strickly pleasure hunters complain some that they are too independent and don't pack enough. The pups I've started and hunted with hunt good but circle and hit ridges and hollers and don't straight line hunt. They hunt like they are supposed to in my opinion, steady and smart for the most part. Hope that answers your questions.

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Me & Dad with Jimmy on the Ohio River

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Back up for Jimmy. John i'll keep you posted on how my Jimmy hound is doing.

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