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Only two dogs left in the cast. Dogs are cut and the minute is up. Dog A is struck for 100. Dog B opens 1 time in a different direction. The wind is blowing hard, so there is a discussion from which way Dog B barked. Everybody gets quite and listens a few seconds. After listening, handler of Dog B says go ahead and strike her.

Now here is the question... Dog B opened one time and was struck probably a full minute after. Is Dog B's strike minused for striking a dog that did not open immediatly prior to the call or do you just accept the call?

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he has 2 more barks til he needs to !!!! he has every right to wait a bit to decide how much confindence he has in his dog's ability to work out that bad track; or take a chance that perhaps it poked itself and with a little distance he may not be sure. but the rules say you must strike you dog on or before the third brk he had time !!

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Accept the call

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If I was the judge and hadn't heard the bark I would not accept the call.
If I had heard the bark, I'd accept the call and immediately start the 8.

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Only two dogs left in the cast. Dogs are cut and the minute is up. Dog A is struck for 100. Dog B opens 1 time in a different direction. The wind is blowing hard, so there is a discussion from which way Dog B barked. Everybody gets quite and listens a few seconds. After listening, handler of Dog B says go ahead and strike her.

Now here is the question... Dog B opened one time and was struck probably a full minute after. Is Dog B's strike minused for striking a dog that did not open immediatly prior to the call or do you just accept the call?

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There is no 8 minutes to run. Dog A was struck and opening plenty.

Everybody heard Dog B open. There was no debate about whether she opened or not.

The third option might be to just not accept the call at that time...

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if the dog only barked once and he waited a full minute to strike i would minus his strike. you cant strike a dog that aint barkin.

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on or before the 3rd bark, how much more clear can it get !!

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Wheres Jim or Rip? I probably would not except the call..Not one min after it barked..I'd make it bark again..

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The rule says dog must open before being struck or treed BUT.....it doesn't say how long it must open before you make the call. One minute, clock it and see, is a long time. I wouldn't consider that barking before making the call.

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by what you have described i would have accepted the call.

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In these smaller hunts I would accept the call and then explain to him that to strike a dog it must have barked when he struck it. That is the problem with alot of smalled hunts people try to find so many ways to minus someone instead of trying to help them learn.

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What would you do in a big hunt?

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What would you do in a big hunt?

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Actually this was addressed by Todd before.....So I checked my trusty Advisor.The full answer can be found on page138 and 139.
For those that don't have one,basically says you must strike on or before third bark after first minute no matter how much time has elapsed between barks.If you elect to wait after one bark you can not call the dog until it actually opens again.The first bark still counts toward the three bark limit

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Only two dogs left in the cast. Dogs are cut and the minute is up. Dog A is struck for 100. Dog B opens 1 time in a different direction. The wind is blowing hard, so there is a discussion from which way Dog B barked. Everybody gets quite and listens a few seconds. After listening, handler of Dog B says go ahead and strike her.

Now here is the question... Dog B opened one time and was struck probably a full minute after. Is Dog B's strike minused for striking a dog that did not open immediatly prior to the call or do you just accept the call?

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Ok let me clarify little hunt and big hunt. It is the handlers responsibility no matter when to know the rules. But alot of the smaller hunts are to teach people instead of run them away from the hunts but the dog should be minused honestly and the handler explained to why he was minused because his dog was obviously not opening when he struck. If you take the theory that he has opened then he could leave babbling and then someone else strike and because his has previously opened he could strike and this is not the case.

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I would refuse to take the call after that much time had passed. Dog B would need to bark again before being struck in.

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May be a dumb question but with only two dogs and dog A struck in for 1st what did he have to gain by striking his dog when he didn't have to? What difference would it make if you accepted the call or not in this instance accept for him leaving himself open for some minus when he didn't have to.

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[QUOTE][i]Originally posted by Marc [/ Dog A is struck for 100. Dog B opens 1 time in a different direction. The wind is blowing hard, so there is a discussion from which way Dog B barked. Everybody gets quite and listens a few seconds. After listening, handler of Dog B says go ahead and strike her.



what in this post would cause you to not accept the call? because there was a discussion on which direction the dog opened. whats he gaining by pitching the dog....? maybe he hesitated to make sure the judge heard the dog so he wouldn't get minused for that. obviously some people have not drawn minus by striking their dog and then the judge says i didn't hear a dog so i minused you.

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One minute is a long time to wait & strike the dog.

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Even though there's only the 2 dogs left and A is already struck in, I'm saying NO you cannot except the call.
Why couldn't he strike the dog and then discuss where at it came from?
Let's say that A starts hitting a tree so Dog B's handler strikes in just in case his dog trees with dog A he'll get both Strike and Tree points.
Not fair.

You have to call your dog for what it's doing, at the time its doing it.

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I do think I remember an Advisor that was like the one posted above.

Dog has to bark right before being struck or treed. I would say it's a judgement area of the rules, one minute is a very long time to wait, but a second or two would be different (a feller may need to spit) LOL.

I would say you would have to be there, but if it was too long then no, I wouldn't accept the call.

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Thats the problem! This is not for interpretation!!!!!!! What "EXACTLY" does the rule say??????????


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the rule doesn't say how long after a dog barks you must make a call. really if ukc wants people to use these advisers to interpret rules, they should mail one out with a bloodlines script like they do a rulebook.

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