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how much benefit is there to letting say a 8-9 month old to catch one on the ground and fight it? is it worth it to you to let a good dog get torn up?

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I personally dont want a 8-9 month old catching one on the ground, but occasionally it will happen and every individual responds different. I also do not like getting a dog all torn up, but am a sucker for a good fight. My opinion has been, and still is, that if that hound is gonna make something special, they are smart enough to overcome their handlers stupidity. Benefits???? Depends on the dog.

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I don't believe there is any positive that comes from getting a dog chewed on. A little fur in the mouth doesn't hurt but torn ears, ripped noses, and bites around the head doesn't make one a better coondog. A good hound is going to catch many coon on the gound, beaver dens, drift piles, water, etc... That is where a good kil dog is needed. A good kill dog won't have any or very few ripped ears or major scars.

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I had one catch one on the ground that was just a little over 8 months old. That coon was no shot. That pup killed that coon like an old dog. I was real scared when she caught it, but she ended up doing just fine.

I sure wouldn't recommend it though. If there is even a chance it will hurt, why risk it?

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A lot of times the absolute best kill dogs never fight a coon as a young dog. I always make sure that i shoot the coon in the head and it comes out dead. This allows the pup to gain confidence to go in and grab the coon by the throat. I have seen it time and time again. A lot of times i have seen dogs become "shakers" and "slingers" or even just bay dogs if they get whipped by a coon too early. Of course, this doesn't go for all dogs, with some being naturally great kill dogs, but i don't take a chance. And of course, you can't control what happens all the time, but that's what i try to do anyways. I like to see a dog waste no time grabbing the neck and never letting go.

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the 4 replys above are full of good imformation.

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The only benifit I can think of is that it " might " help the pup develop a hatred for a coon , but I wouldn't chance it. If it happens , it happens. But I'm not going to cause it on purpose.
I don't think it would bother a pup near as much if he got bit after chewing on a dozen coon or so , rather than the first one.

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I don't want trail hounds, or tree hounds. I want a hound that runs to catch. And they aren't running to catch it in a tree. They are running to catch it and kill it. So you go and shoot it out stone dead, you just took away what they were working for.


We don't knock out many coon. But the ones we do, come out with a pulse. I have dogs that won't even look at a dead coon. Why would they want to wool all over and bark at a nasty dead coon? Shooting coon don't make better dogs, dead or alive. But I can see what kind of dogs I have.

As a bear hunter, I figure if a dog gets it's feelings hurt over a little bite on the nose or a ripped ear, that dog isn't the kind of dog I'll be feeding. One that stands and booger barks at a dead coon. What happens when they run into a bear? I've seen some awesome coon kill dogs, be terrified of a bear, but I like my chances with them a little better than a dog that gets ruined by one "mean" coon.

Most people that say they wont let a dog have a coon is cause they have a dog that can't or won't kill them.

They learn to be better kill dogs by not killing coons? Yeah just like they make better coondogs by not treeing coon.

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The dog I am hunting now is not very accurate unless he gets his but kicked every once in a while. He is by no means a kill dog, most of the time I have to step in and help. He has not figured out that the chest is the worst place to grab one. But I have found out that is what flips his switch so I let the coon get a little rough with him every once in a while. But every dog is different.

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Shake a couple out and let a young dog re tree um and that will fire one up as much as any fight will do, its the exitment that gets them going not the Blood

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It really doesn't bother me to see a dog get chewed on and torn up some. I have lost hounds due to coon paralysis from gettng bit. Thats the main reason I just soon not get one chewed on.

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Nothing positive will come from fighting a coon, no matter what the dogs age.

There is no reason to have a kill dog unless you are not allowed to own a gun.

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I personally don't care what the age of my pups gets in on a coon fight.. Any animal dog / cat or cow has enough brains too back off if the going gets tough.. Every pup I've trained has had their chance too run in on the coon or set back and bark..{Their choice} Some of my pups first nights out has been with a coon comimg out of the trap right in front of them. If they run in on it.. Oh well ''' They will be prepared for what's comimg the next time they do it... I know it has never caused a problem with any of my pups starting off like that.. I have had great results letting them figure out what the coon is all about, and I will let them explore the coon as much as they want. If that means they want to get torn up every time, than I'll pay the vet bills too let them do it...

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Interesting, very interesting.

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My male pup I have now was 6-months when I got him. I showed him a cage coon, He barked good at it. Turned it loose he chased it. One night our dogs caught a coon in a creek with water about 2-3 foot deep, my pup runs down the bank and dove right in the middle of the fight, not knowing what was going on..The coon wraps up on his head and down he went.. By the time I could get to him the other dogs had the coon pulled off of the pup. I helped my pup to the bank and he was so scared and wore out he just laid on his side trying to get air..He got up after catching his breath and getting his bearing back. He dove in again BUT was a little more carefull. After that night he was on a mission too find the coon that whooped his @ss. He was a changed dog, he went from puppy too coondog in the matter of seconds...3-turnouts later he was tracking and treeing.. From that night on, he has done nothing but hunt coon and he will track and tree his own coon now at 9-months old..Some times that is what it takes to let them know the coon is not a play toy. It's an animal that means business..

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On another note, I like my dogs to fight a few coon and learn some respect.

What happens the first time they see a bear on the ground? Those super gritty inexperianced dogs run in not knowing what ends what, and what the consequences will be. Just like a dogs first time fighting a coon. I don't think I want a bear being the first to teach a dog what end has teeth.

What don't kill them only makes them stronger. I work to pay for dogs, dog food, and vet bills.

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If they wont kill a coon then I don't want 'em!

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I had one catch one on the ground that was just a little over 8 months old. That coon was no shot. That pup killed that coon like an old dog. I was real scared when she caught it, but she ended up doing just fine.

I sure wouldn't recommend it though. If there is even a chance it will hurt, why risk it?

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