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URGENT: Responsible Indiana Dog Owners/Breeders Needed to Help Stop Breeders Bill on February 11

[February 11, 2009]

The Indiana House Courts and Criminal Code Committee has agreed to hear a proposed amendment that would require any breeder who owns 10 or more intact female dogs over four months old to register as a commercial breeder. The amendment also bans ownership of more than 20 intact dogs that are a year of age or older.

This last-minute, proposed amendment would be placed into a bill regarding animal cruelty.

It is imperative that all responsible dog owners and breeders in Indiana contact the members of the committee and tell them to vote NO on House Bill 1468 Amendment #1!

If adopted, the amendment would, among other provisions:

Require any breeder who owns at least 10 intact female dogs over 4 months old to register as a commercial breeder and renew the license each year.
Ban the ownership of more than 20 intact dogs over one year of age.
Establish strict engineering requirements regarding enclosures for the animals.
Allow local governments to adopt stricter laws than those outlined in this amendment.

How You Can Help

The Committee will meet today (Wednesday, February 11) at 1:30 p.m. Please contact the committee immediately and politely, yet strongly express your opposition to Amendment #1 to House Bill 1468.

Members of the House Courts and Criminal Code Committee:

To e-mail the committee members, click here and select their name from the list.

Representative Matt Pierce, Chair
Phone: (317) 232-9600
Toll Free: (800) 382-9842

Representative Nancy Dembowski, Vice-Chair
Phone: (317) 232-9600
Toll Free: (800) 382-9842

Representative Jacqueline Clements
Phone: (800) 382-9841

Representative Ryan Dvorak
Phone: (317) 232-9600
Toll Free: (800) 382-9842

Representative Ralph Foley
Phone: (800) 382-9841

Representative Eric Koch
Phone: (800) 382-9841

Representative Linda Lawson
Phone: (317) 232-9600
Toll Free: (800) 382-9842

Representative Gregory Porter
Phone: (317) 232-9600
Toll Free: (800) 382-9842

Representative Vernon Smith
Phone: (317) 232-9600
Toll Free: (800) 382-9842

Representative Greg Steuerwald
Phone: (800) 382-9841

Representative Vern Tincher
Phone: (317) 232-9600
Toll Free: (800) 382-9842

Representative Randolph Truitt
Phone: (800) 382-9841

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i contacted these people all i got was a answer michine.

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To e-mail the committee members, click here and select their name from the list.

Representative Matt Pierce, Chair
Phone: (317) 232-9600
Toll Free: (800) 382-9842

Representative Nancy Dembowski, Vice-Chair
Phone: (317) 232-9600
Toll Free: (800) 382-9842

Representative Jacqueline Clements
Phone: (800) 382-9841

Representative Ryan Dvorak
Phone: (317) 232-9600
Toll Free: (800) 382-9842

Representative Ralph Foley
Phone: (800) 382-9841

Representative Eric Koch
Phone: (800) 382-9841

Representative Linda Lawson
Phone: (317) 232-9600
Toll Free: (800) 382-9842

Representative Gregory Porter
Phone: (317) 232-9600
Toll Free: (800) 382-9842

Representative Vernon Smith
Phone: (317) 232-9600
Toll Free: (800) 382-9842

Representative Greg Steuerwald
Phone: (800) 382-9841

Representative Vern Tincher
Phone: (317) 232-9600
Toll Free: (800) 382-9842

Representative Randolph Truitt
Phone: (800) 382-9841

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Joe,

Did the contact I gave you work out?

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Whats wrong with the bill? I think if you have that many dogs the state should check you out to make sure the dogs are treated well. Most people I know that have 20 dogs have tham tied out to cars, there ribs are showing, and there stacked 2 foot it crap...

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here is the link to their email addresses: http://www.in.gov/cgi-bin/legislati...ontact.pl#house

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The problem with the bill and 20 dogs is if you have 5 adult dogs and two are females with 8 pups each......you want to keep the litter until they are a year old or better before you sell all but 2 or 3. You farm out the pups to friends around the state. The puppy police check records and see that you have these 21 dogs.....BUSTED. You have 21 dogs intact.

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Trumbo...

Read carfully...it says BAN...that means, it won't be legal....

Now I sometimes fall into the situation where with the collection of old dogs that I have, and two, sometimes three litters of pups in the spring....I have more than 20 dogs...and I don't have any with ribs showing or tied to old cars.

The issue here is that there are already laws on the books to regulate pu;;y mills and the types of things that you talk about...called animal cruelty laws....don't go stepping on my toes, or your toes if you decide to raise some pups....

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Joe,

Did the contact I gave you work out?

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Whats wrong with this you say?I don't see anything right about taking our rights away,I don't own 20 dogs either,but I don't like someone telling me I can't.Houndsman need to stick together and watch each others'backs instead of trying to stab each other in the back or animal ownership as we know it will be out-lawed.....JMO

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Oh THAT! May have another route...have not checked yet.

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i am personal friends with Rep. Ron Herrell of Howard County i can assure you that he will fight this, Ron grew up hunting hounds on coons and bears, many of you know his cousin Bill Herrell, we houndsman do have a friend in Indy, Ron sure does like talking politics and policy if you need something im sure he can help

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I think the main problem with this bill is that they get a little at a time and we dont need to give an inch on nothing involving dogs. It is only a starting point. in 2-3 years it will be 5 couple more years after that 2 and then eventually none at all. Dont give an inch on these dog bills. Its good to make sure all these are taken care of, however, its only a start to limiting the number of females a dog owner can own.

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I think the main problem with this bill is that they get a little at a time and we dont need to give an inch on nothing involving dogs. It is only a starting point. in 2-3 years it will be 5 couple more years after that 2 and then eventually none at all. Dont give an inch on these dog bills. Its good to make sure all these are taken care of, however, its only a start to limiting the number of females a dog owner can own.

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Whats wrong with this you say?I don't see anything right about taking our rights away,I don't own 20 dogs either,but I don't like someone telling me I can't.Houndsman need to stick together and watch each others'backs instead of trying to stab each other in the back or animal ownership as we know it will be out-lawed.....JMO

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Also keep in mind that this bill isn't about 20 dogs, it OUTLAWS 20.

It forces people with 10 females over 4 months old to register and pay the fees of a commercial breeder, so it's really saying they want to regulate people with 10 dogs PUPS INCLUDED.

I only hunt females, I usually keep 2 when I am hunting alot (not been able to do that in a while). This bill would in effect keep me from being able to wait untill the young dogs are showing anything to make my decision if I had a litter of pups to go with the two I have (that's 8 females, not hard to do with 2 litters). I would be considered a commercial breeder, have to be inspected, pay for liscense etc.

Nope, this is bad all the way around. I would bet dollars to doughnuts that the humane society and the HSUS have their hands all over this one.

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Allow local governments to adopt stricter laws than those outlined in this amendment.

And if this language does not scare you into action....it should!!!!!

So this ammendment basically says that the numbers above are a starting point....

They could make this three dogs....two dogs...or ONE DOG...if they so choose without any significant input.....

If your local township government decides they want to license fees, and pay for the local animal shelter, they could say that if you have ONE female of breeding age, you have to register....

As distasteful as this is for me as a breeder....it is even more distasteful as a dog owner....and it should be to all of you...

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20 dogs one year old or older is alot and should be banned. The 10 female thing is a little strict though. Joe have you ever had 20 dogs that were a year or older? I doubt it. There is no need to have that many dogs. Unless you have a kennel that has been checked by the law and verified big enough to handle 20 dogs, it should be illegal.

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20 dogs one year old or older is alot and should be banned. The 10 female thing is a little strict though. Joe have you ever had 20 dogs that were a year or older? I doubt it. There is no need to have that many dogs. Unless you have a kennel that has been checked by the law and verified big enough to handle 20 dogs, it should be illegal.

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Dave,

I respect your right to have your opinion...but you need to move west across the border into Illinois, into the land of the "regulated".

This isn't about me, or how many dogs I have. Yes, I have indeed owned 20 dogs a year old....but that is not the point. There are already laws on the books to deal wth the mistreatment of animals, there are already laws on the books about inhumane housing (having dogs tied to abandoned cars).

This is about my RIGHT to own, breed, hunt, care for, and be a responsible dog owner. I don't need the government telling me how many dogs I'm "allowed" to own, as long as I'm taking care of them in the manner that the law prescribes.

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Dave,

I'm "allowed" to own, as long as I'm taking care of them in the manner that the law prescribes.

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