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that are known to not be of pure blood?

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They do..You not remember the black and tan,walker dog that was registered a few yrs ago?

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UKC only Reg.s the Hound after Org. Hound Association has Approved of the Hound in question.

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All our coonhounds were started with crosses that nicked , if someone comes up with another nick that looks the part and meets the standards ... then why wouldn't you want new blood ?

You gotta have variation ... natures knows this and that's why dominant males run off young males and such ... and a super bad stray male can come take over a pride or herd .

Same for livestock , all your purebred farms of about every kind are always looking for the right cross of fresh blood to amp up their flocks or herds.

Besides ... like for the million ... jillion ... trillion-th time ..... UKC doesn't set the rules for this stuff , the breed clubs do ...

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I think they should single register dogs. Use pics to help identify the dog.

My Buckskin pups parents are UKC reg but I can't get her AKC registered until she's registered somewhere else. UKC doesn't recognize Buckskin. I can get her a limited reg. but her pups (if she has any) can't be registered.

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Mr. Smith, are you for real? Why dont you take your half breed, mixed up junk and contact nkc or something. There are so many seperate strains within each breed now that there is no reason for mixing crap and putting it back in the breed. pkc has a crossbreed program,i believe you need to look into that. Wow, I cant believe someone has zero respect for the work all the breeders had to do to straighten out the breeds when they started them, because of the mixing, etc.

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Mr. Smith, are you for real? Why dont you take your half breed, mixed up junk and contact nkc or something. There are so many seperate strains within each breed now that there is no reason for mixing crap and putting it back in the breed. pkc has a crossbreed program,i believe you need to look into that. Wow, I cant believe someone has zero respect for the work all the breeders had to do to straighten out the breeds when they started them, because of the mixing, etc.

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Joe, and to think I just told a guy to get ahold of you to try your hounds then you say this. lol.

Seriously I just dont believe in it. Some food for thought also, we talked several years ago about calico ears and blue eyes. I wanted to tell you that the goodman strain of american foxhounds come complete with calico ears blue eyes and flag tails, some are even wavy coated. Possible goodman influence in the early start of some of those lines.

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Single Reg. has Nothing to Do with UKC ..
If you have a beef with Single Reg. you need to take it up with Your breed Association "They Know whats best for their Breed" If they Think they have a need for New Blood or Total Outcrosses it is their Disscision Only .. UKC only handles the Paperwork ...

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i think they should have a crossbred breed like pkc.

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I think if the dog meets standard and can tree a coon, why not? There are plenty of pure bloods out there that can't even do that.

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i agree with reds4me. i have seen plenty of purebreds that are crap.

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You guys that don't like cross bred dogs go down take your best an hunt with HARDROCK

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Mr. Smith, are you for real? Why dont you take your half breed, mixed up junk and contact nkc or something. There are so many seperate strains within each breed now that there is no reason for mixing crap and putting it back in the breed. pkc has a crossbreed program,i believe you need to look into that. Wow, I cant believe someone has zero respect for the work all the breeders had to do to straighten out the breeds when they started them, because of the mixing, etc.

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Okay, here's a question. Why belong to a breed assc. then? If no one cares to preserve, while at the same time improve, a breeds, traits, why even mess with it? Why not petition UKC to revert back and keep all the seperate breeds as ENGLISH COONHOUND ? Essentially, thats what you guys are saying. Just think, we could all breed our walkers to redbones and vice versa. Throw color out the window. Throw individual breed traits out the door and concentrate on the worlds best coonhounds, no matter what.


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not asking if crossbreds make nice hounds, i think they and i might possibly make those type crosses in the future, my question is, should a dog know to be out of 2 different breeds be allowed to be registered as a pure breed with UKC

btw, if you think you can find waht you want in your breed, why not just change breeds?

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In the begging the walker dog was started by a stolen black&tan that was taking ,while he was smoking off game cross a public road. SO WHAT IS YOUR DOGS GRANDDADDY!

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I personally have never laid eyes on a "purebred" coonhound.

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Jamie, I'd possibly suggest doing more research on the subject. The walker and maupin families were breeding walker hounds that came all colors before maupin ever ended up with tenn. lead. And to this day, i own running walker hounds that are still black and tan in color.

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I don't have a prolem with single reg if the dog is really a purebred grade.I would really like to see the UKC have a place for
crossbred hounds like the old ACHA's American Coonbred Hound
like the old days when I was a kid.Also the best ever coondog I ever owned was half Pointer birddog and half Bluetick,He looked Bluetick Should he have been single registered.(no I don't think so)


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November,1852,a black & tan hound was stolen out of a deer chase by a horse trader,taken to madison county, Kentucky sold to George Washington Maupin. There,asTENNESSEE LEAD, he became the foundation sire of all walker,trigg and goodman fox hounds

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Jamie, i have the walker foxhound history book wrote by the walker family. Tenn. lead was used as ONE of the foundation sires not the only foundation sire. This is actually irrelevant to this thread sorry for any inconvienence.

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wow, i didnt realize i was asking for a history lesson. i guess some dont understand keeping the integrity of a breed and progress

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Okay, here's a question. Why belong to a breed assc. then? If no one cares to preserve, while at the same time improve, a breeds, traits, why even mess with it? Why not petition UKC to revert back and keep all the seperate breeds as ENGLISH COONHOUND ? Essentially, thats what you guys are saying. Just think, we could all breed our walkers to redbones and vice versa. Throw color out the window. Throw individual breed traits out the door and concentrate on the worlds best coonhounds, no matter what.


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SORRY FOR ADDING MY THOUGHTS TO THIS FORUM,LOL I WOULD NOT BREED ANY OF MY DOGS, TO SOMETHING THAT WOULD MESS UP THE B&T BREED! POSTED 4 A FRIEND! 10 MONTH OLD WALKER FEMALE,BOTH PARENTS ARE OUT OF TENN. LEAD! LOL! SHE HAS NO PAPPERS!FIRST 25 DOLLARS WILL BUY HER

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