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I can't believe you're still talking politics when all the new hunt policies are posted?? Didn't anyone find the Hunt Director / MOH stuff interesting?

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I can't believe you're still talking politics when all the new hunt policies are posted?? Didn't anyone find the Hunt Director / MOH stuff interesting?

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hunt director wont work !!!!!! The panel he picks can really be altered ...seen it happen in other kennel clubs.....

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Yes it will work!!!

I've been to MANY clubs where the MOH didn't know left from right and when presented with a question answered it with....."well I'm not sure but I THINK it should be this way"

I hope the clubs will adopt this format and leave the MOH days behind us.

One question tho Todd..........Can you object a panel member and ask for someone to replace them?? For instance lets say the HD appoints someone who has ties with a member of the cast with the question? (hunting partner,co-owner,cousin)

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Finally, light at the end of the tunnel.....

I'm constantly amazed by the lack of rule knowledge on the part of some (yes I said some) of today's MOH....

My question to Todd...will a club have to declare the MOH vs. Hunt director when scheduling a hunt, and if so, will it be noted on the schedule...

I might need to know if I should have a pocket full of Andrew Jackson's when going to a hunt!

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Joe,

Not TK but think I can answer that one for ya. No, the club will not advertise which format will be used. At least not in the UCE list. Participants will be advised of which format is being used prior to calling out the casts. There will be two separate MOH/HD checklists that must be read publicly relative to the format being used. Note: There are several types of events where a Master of Hounds is mandatory. Those events are all Purina Points events which would include RQE's.

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Joe,

Not TK but think I can answer that one for ya. No, the club will not advertise which format will be used. At least not in the UCE list. Participants will be advised of which format is being used prior to calling out the casts. There will be two separate MOH/HD checklists that must be read publicly relative to the format being used. Note: There are several types of events where a Master of Hounds is mandatory. Those events are all Purina Points events which would include RQE's.

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Thanks Allen,

I'll have spent all of my Andrews getting to the Purina Events and RQE's.....

As for me, I believe this is a good decision on the part of UKC.

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Dogs A,B and C are struck.
Dog A is treed .
Dogs B and C are treed seperate from dog A.
Dog D has never been struck.

Can dog A be released after scoreing his tree?

I would certainly think if Dog D is anything but treed , Dog A should have the option to turn loose, But the way the rule reads im thinking no.

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Todd until you do away with circle points and feeder buckets then nothing about it will change for the good. There's a whole lot of pleasure hunters out there that just tell it like it is and understand that. Why can't UKC ?

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Man, you don't even hunt in nite hunts, why does it matter to you? The only people these rules affect are the ones showing up to put their dogs in the hunts. I personally do not hunt as much as some people, but I make 4 or 5 hunts a year. I am in favor of these new policies.

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Dogs A,B and C are struck.
Dog A is treed .
Dogs B and C are treed seperate from dog A.
Dog D has never been struck.

Can dog A be released after scoreing his tree?

I would certainly think if Dog D is anything but treed , Dog A should have the option to turn loose, But the way the rule reads im thinking no.

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Todd until you do away with circle points and feeder buckets then nothing about it will change for the good. There's a whole lot of pleasure hunters out there that just tell it like it is and understand that. Why can't UKC ?

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Originally posted by elvis
Dogs A,B and C are struck.
Dog A is treed .
Dogs B and C are treed seperate from dog A.
Dog D has never been struck.

Can dog A be released after scoreing his tree?

I would certainly think if Dog D is anything but treed , Dog A should have the option to turn loose, But the way the rule reads im thinking no.

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I have hunted many, many UKC hunts the last few years, and I really like these rule changes. I think it will be very beneficial in promoting fairness. Thanks UKC

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Good questions.

I don't like the change that they made to the formal complaint. I am in favor of the $20.00 fee but I think the owner should get the fee back if UKC overrules the panel. The way it looks to me you lose your $20.00 if the panel rules against you even if UKC finally rules in favor of the complainant. I have filed one formal complaint in my life and I was ruled against at every stop until it got to UKC who made the final ruling in my favor. In that case, I should get my $20.00 back.
I am very confident that our club (Wyatt CCHC) will have a policy of useing only MOH.

One other question. Does the formal complaint appy when a panel is used the same as when a MOH is used?

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I think MOST clubs will stick to the MOH format, simply because you still have to have someone stick around the clubhouse ALL night. They say they can't get a MOH, so how they going to get a "volunteer"?????

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Originally posted by todd kellam
I can't believe you're still talking politics when all the new hunt policies are posted?? Didn't anyone find the Hunt Director / MOH stuff interesting?

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I think MOST clubs will stick to the MOH format, simply because you still have to have someone stick around the clubhouse ALL night. They say they can't get a MOH, so how they going to get a "volunteer"?????

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huh? what Hunt director/ MOH stuff???

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Clay...the old rule stated dogs must be turned into dogs that are opening and trailing. But if no dog was struck, that doesn't mean we stood around with all the dogs tied to a leash. We still released them, the only difference was that 100 strike was opens instead of 25 or next available. I believe the same holds true under the new rule. I would say you can recast your dog if a least one dog is loose and hunting even if that dog is not struck.
The reason for the rule stateing "opening and trailing" is so we know we cannot turn into a dog that is struck in but hasn't broke the 8. If no dog is struck, there is no 8 running so take your option to recast or not.

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I guess we will have to wait for the official ruling, but that is the way I read it again and again.

Here is the quote from the page. NOTICE THAT LINE IS BOLD ON THE OFFICIAL SITE!

A portion of Rule 11 has been changed to read as follows: (After five minutes, first dog’s tree may be checked and that dog kept on leash until tree is scored, then he must be turned loose with other dogs that are opening on trail and will receive 25 points credit or discredit as deserved, or next available position. However, if dog[s] are already treed, handlers have the option to release dog[s] so long as at least one dog is still out trailing.)

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Also look at this section from the page:
This change deals with Rule 11 when it comes to re-casting to dogs out trailing after a tree has been scored. The current rule does not allow for dogs to be re-cast if there is one or more dog declared treed prior to re-casting. The new rule will now allow it to be the handler’s option to turn back in to a dog on trail or not. "Obviously, this would only be an option if there is at least one dog that is declared struck still trailing." If all dogs are declared treed the handler could not re-cast. Likewise, if no dogs are declared treed then not turning back in would not be an option (it would be required)
Notice the line that is in quotes.

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You are prolly right Clay but yeah, we need that one clarified by UKC.

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These rule changes are good! We just need a tree countdown and I will hunt alot more ukc hunts.

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A big step forward.

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