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I would like to know the dates of the UKC PP World Hunt.

Is there going to be a bench show at this hunt?

Can someone list hotels for the area where the hunt will be held.

Thanks, Jim Stinnett

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Registered: Aug 2004
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Jim,

I think it is Oct 18, 19 in Coshocton Ohio. It is being advertised in the magazines and I am sure there is hotel info listed too. If not contact Dave McVay and I am sure he can help you out. There should be a bench show also.

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Registered: Aug 2006
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Jim...last year we all piled in a couple pick up trucks and went over. If you are wanting to do this let me know..

I think right now its Matt, Dale, Ethan and myself

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Jim, dogrunnerone is correct. The evnt will be held on October 18 & 19 in Coshocton, Ohio. Motel listings may be found in the ad in Coonhound Bloodlines, American Beagler and Better Beagling magazines.

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NO BENCH SHOW!!! UKC has only 1 World Show Champion and it is crowned at the Hunting Beagle World.

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Strange that you can have A UKC hunting beagle world field champion and A UKC world performance pack world field champion.
But you can only have one UKC world hunting beagle show champion. And thats in Hunting beagle only.

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I agree with Roy, we need to have a PP world show!!!!!!!

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Guys a PP World Hunting Champion and HB World Champion are 2 different titles. To have 2 World Show Champions makes no cense. The show is the same in both formats.

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Wonder if we could have a show at the World but not give a world show title with it so people who like to show dogs can show at the Performance Pack world hunt.

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The 2 formats or completly defferent. If the type of dogs ran in the field or mostly defferent and to show you have to run in the field that day.Then the dogs being showed would be . In most instances defferent. There or exceptions . The way I see it we now have a world hunting beagle show champion. And its possible for this same dog to be world show and world hunting beagle field champion. But in performance pack you can only become world field champion and to show you have to compete againest the large field of both hunting beagle and performance pack. So to me it makes sence to seperate the show dogs as well.

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I am with you Roy, I think the other guys are afraid of us (hahaha)

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I dont know much about bench shows but I enjoy watching them. We have never had a bench show at the PP World because I was told they didnt want to have two World Show Champions but we always have a bench show at the PP Nationals. It doesnt make a lot of difference to me either way but I always wondered why it was ok to have two National Show Champions but not two World Show Champions. I enjoy both the PP Nationals and the PP World but to be honest the PP World isnt the same without the show. Just my opinion!

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First of all I am not agaisnt having a show at the PP World.

With that said the difference is to be a World show Champion in UKC you had to have completed 2 hrs of hunting at a WQE to be elidgible to show. The dog had to hunt.

In PP your hound may get picked up for 3 minuses and can still show. There is no requirement for completeing the 1hour hunt.

Alot of the PP guys were not involved years ago when a top show hound would show up at the major events with NO HUNT and win the show. UKC has made great strides to insure that they promote a great looking hound that can perform in the field. To allow another World show title in PP would be a step in the wrong dirrection in my opinion.

As far as Nationals they along with NHBA, and the Eliminator do not carry a title on your papers.

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Maybe we should do away with the World Show title if we cannot get a even playing field for both Hunting Beagle and Performance Pack formats concerning the shows

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The rules are the rules. Just because some dont like them we shouldnt do away with it. If that were the case PP in UKC would have never been started.

Think of ways we can improve UKC not seperate it.

If the show is a problem think of a way it can be fixed. I would think they would listen to any reasonable offer.

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Good Conversation,

What about alternating the World Show? 1 year at the Hunting Beagle World next year at the Performance Pack World.

Dave,

If I am not mistaken.
You can still show at the world if your dog gets minused out or scratched for off game at WQE. The only way it can not show is it scratched for rule 3B at a WQE " After the first three minutes of the hunt, for failing to make any attempt to hunt within any continuous five minutes of the hunt." If the hound has more than I believe 50 hunt points it can still show at the world with not ever being entered in a WQE.

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How is the UKCs Total Dog Program Benefiting by Excluding the WorldshowCH Title From the PP Program????
They have PPCH and HBCH Why NOT PPWORLDSCH ???
Bring it up in the next meeting..
how about it Allen?

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I really dont care if UKC wants a PP World show champion it just seems to be repetitious. Last time I checked there is no PP show champion or HB show champion. UKC only has a show Champion, Grand Show Champion and World Show Champion.

The Total Dog Program has came along way from where it was. Can it be better? SURE!!!

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Why not take the winner of both formats at the end of the world hunts and make them show against each other.If someone going to bi--h and complain about it now then they'll make the drive to where ever the would have to show against each other.Although it wont be a total dog if it cant perform in the field first.

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Are the rules Different For the World hunt than they are for any other Hunt???
The last I checked a Dog could still show as long as they were not Scratched for a non hunting Reason or Scratched by the handler....
So From What I read into What your Saying is that if you minus out at a WQE say in the first round 45 min into the hunt then you Cannot Show????
How is this any Different than taking 3 minuses in PP??


2. Entries at the UKC Hunting Beagle World Championship Show must first participate and meet the hunt requirements in the hunt portion of a Hunting Beagle World Qualifying Hunt, or have proof of previous championship hunt points (50).
I understand that you have to qualify by Winning your Cast to get to the World hunt…
BUT the day of the world hunt if your Dog was scratched you could still go on and Show Correct?

Ok Now the Same Show Rules Apply to the Performance Pack also Correct?

Ok So Why not a PP World Show CH ?????????

And if the only Format a person Was to Run was PP then your Dog Would NEVER have the Chance to be a World Show Champion!!!

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I agree with what tjcrewse has to say, lets have both!!!

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Why not have a PP World CH. and a Hunting Beagle world show CH. ,and rhen let the two show against one another,and have the over all WORLD CH. ?

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I like that idea, that makes the most sense.

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'My opinion' To have 2 World Show Champions would defeat the pupose of the title. And one dog could very likely win both of them, and honestly what would that prove? The World Show already exists. If you want to show for the title, go to the Hunting Beagle World.

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The problem as I see it . To compete and win in the hunting beagle forum. You have to have A front running dog with A handler with the phyiscal ability to keep up with the other handlers and he or she must know the rules well enough to com
pete wirh the other handlers on calls.
Now to compete in performance pack you must have a pack dog with the ability to run the frount when it gets it out of a check ETC. The handler only has to catch and release their dog as instructed to by judge.
Quite a defference in a 10 year old handler and a 25year old competing in hunting beagle. While it makes know real defference in performance pack. But there is quite a defference in the type of dog you run in each. If you expect to win consistantly. What it gets to the PP dogs being handled by kids and old or crippled handlers have know chance winning a world qualifying cast to become qualified for world hunt. Know matter how good the dog is. While in PP they have as good a chance as any one else.

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