Registered: Aug 2003
Location: Ga.
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Why did you sweep my post about the cheating going on at the big hunt under the rug. Is it a case of " Politics ".
Whats wrong, did one of your favorites get busted and you are trying to keep it hush hush. If there was something wrong then it should be dealt with fairly. If there was no wrong doing then say there wasn't and don't make the post dissappear. The rules are suppose to be the same for everybody, are they?

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Could it have had something to do with the fact that your post started with "I heard...." Apparently you weren't there, didn't have any first hand knowlege of the events you described and accuseing someone of cheating is no small thing. I know you said you got it from a "reliable source" but if you're going to make those kind of accusations, you should be doing it with first hand knowlege, not from what you heard.

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Registered: Aug 2003
Location: Ga.
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Then why don't UKC come on here and just simply say, we have no knowledge of that happening. Is that to hard for them to do.
Sure sounds kinda of strange to me. It is just so easy to make something like that go away. If there was cheating going on then it needs to be dealt with by UKC, and dealt with fairly. If there was no such a thing taht happened then simply respond to my post, no such thing happened. I would accept that. Don't simply just sweep it under the rug.

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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Bolivia,NC
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Slicktree..............didn't he say "No Comment"?

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Location: Camden,NC
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First off how about a name so we know who we are dealing with??

Next, if a complaint has been filed, your not going to hear about it in this forum, its not the place for it, that and the fact that a hearing will have to be held, a committee formed, witnesses heard from, the guilty has to be notified, and then he/she gets to give their side of the story. Then the committee will meet interview the witnesses, take testimony, and then report their findings and recommendation for punishment to UKC. They will in turn make the decision and send out written notices to the parties involved, and all this will take place before you , I or anyone ever knows what is going on, and thats the way it should be........Due Process, what this country stands for
"Inoccent until proven Guilty"

This is ALL done at the club, or organizational level, UKC administers the punishment if any is recommended by the hearing committee. If you know of a infraction having taken place, and if you don't trust the club, organization that will be holding the hearing, then I suggest you get your butt involved with that club, organization and offer to help out, sit on the committee, organize the hearing and offering to write to potential witnesses.

But to make the accusations you've made only belittles yourself, because we all know that anyone accused is allowed due process, before anything is ever said in public, SO

put your name out here so we know just who you are, what your involvement is in this case, and then offer to help out, working is hard, bitching is easy.

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First of all you dont pay very good attention.If you will think back a few days UKC came on here and had a big explanation for why they didn't get involved with all the controversy over the Black and Tan dog that had been single registered.
They were investigating the dog and could not talk about it.
Plus,something was said about the guy who judged the cast said that he stopped for a pop and the guy came up and confessed.
Tank came on and said the guy either wasn't there or he was lieing,because if he knew what he was talking about he would have said two withdrew and two kept hunting.
That was your hint by the way.
Now if you put two and two together you get=It is being investigated,they cant talk about it until the investigation is over,when their investigation is complete they will come on here and tell us what happened just like they did with the Black and Tan.
Best thing we can do right now is drop this and let UKC do what they got to do.

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Slicktree, you say this needs to be delt with. I'd like to know what they are suppose to be dealing with? You never said which hunt it was, where it was or who was involved. They might as well investigate a ghost. You provided absolutely no facts, just second hand rumor. I doubt UKC will put a whole lot of time into checking out something like that.

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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Longview Texas
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the fact that "they" are not talking about it on this board should tell you it is being delt with properly! Just think if some rumor were being spread about you? Especially if you are on a winning streak, is when the rumors will really fly! " when you are on fire the whole world will gather to watch you burn"

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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Bolivia,NC
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You know what?????? Everyone of ya'll that answered Slicktree's "concern" was answering a question he didn't ask YOU! Me included. It doesn't matter if you know more than the rest of the people on this board,,,,he didn't ask you. Now I am sticking my nose in this as well,,,,,and ....thats right....he didn't ask me. So next time........and we are not ALL illiterate,,,,,why don't we sit back and let UKC offer an explanation if we can. None of us work for UKC that answered now do we. If you got something to say to me , then e-mail me or make another post because I won't be back to this one.

Slick, I apologize for sticking my nose in your business,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I'm gone..............................TCB

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Registered: Aug 2003
Location: Ga.
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I did not come out and accuse no one. I said I heard about the problem last weekend from someone who was standing there at the time all of this went down. I would not mention the persons name and yes I do know which dog and handlers name was mentioned. If " UKC " has it under investigation that is great. All somebody has to say is no comment at this time, don't just make it go away. I pay entry fee's just like everybody else. I have dogs registered just like everybody else.
As far as the end man 99, you don't pay very good attention, in my post I said I had just started back on this board. Jim you want me to come on here and start mentioning names, I will not do that, much as you would like for me to. As far as ghost, I don't believe in them. I think everyone who pays an entry fee is entitled to no comment or we can't talk about it as this time until the investgation is complete.
TCB he may have said no comment but it must have been erased before I got home last night to check out the post. How you been doing anyway. I will E-mail you later.

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Registered: Jun 2003
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The post was not dropped because of the original question although to that I do have to say, "it is being investigated".

The post was dropped because of the crap being stirred up by a respondent and to that I say, "no comment".

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you didn't drop it because I revealed my secret about the better art of slinging eyes did you? lol.

I guess to add to the subject, I think what Mark touched on is getting overlooked. The National chartered breed association will have to conduct the hearing and analyse the evidence. Now, if you know what you think you know happened and really care about seeing to it that justice prevails, then first of all, you need to become, or should have been, a member of that club. If you are, then you need to contact that club's president and see who sits on that investigation committee and whether those people are "feel gooders" or people with the gumption to get down to the truth. That is what will ultimately decide whether this situation ever happened and whether anything happens about it.

Irregardless of what happened, I find it ironic how so many of you come here and bitch about UKC turning their heads in these cases. The fact of the matter is, most of you knuckle heads have been on casts where this sort of thing has happened and you either didn't handle it properly or you plain missed it all together. Like a bad joke. I mean, is there any real difference between slinging eyes in a tree and seeing coon that aren't there? One takes less energy, but that's about it. Oh I know, "you all NEVER had any of that happen to YOU on a cast". Well to that I say, good luck on your 2nd UKC hunt but maybe this time you ought to leave the hollywoods on the dash and pack the sodium pentathol into the trees. But go ahead and feel free to pile on UKC when a lack of solid evidence results in a "circle tree" in this case.

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TCB, when someone posts on here they are putting it in front of the whole word to read and the whole world has a right to respond. This is a message board, not a private line to UKC. If he wanted to ask the question exclusively to UKC he could have e-mailed them or called them on the phone. So don't give me that "he didn't ask you" crap.

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For those of you that don't know me I am Todd Morgan. I handle all of the misconducts at United Kennel Club as far as the events are concerned. I can tell you that UKC (field operations) will not comment on any of the cases we have going. We will not discuss them with anyone that is not essential to the investigation. And we do not make these things a public debate.

I realize that people are curious and want to know what is going on. I am the same way. I ask you this, how would you feel if you were 100% innocent and everyone was discussing something about you on the board? What if you were falsly accused and everyone ran your name through the mud on a public forum before the hearing and the verdict?

Like I said, I understand being curious, as I am the same way. However discussing the particulars of the case on the internet does no one any good. Once any hearing is over, discuss away. If someone is innocent, be happy that they didn't get suspended for something they didn't do. If someone is guilty, well then do what you want.

I support taking off all posts that have to do with current misconduct hearings. How would you want everyone thinking bad about you if you were innocent. There is a time and place for everything and before the hearing the message board is not it. After a hearing, I would say it is fair game.

Just my opinion.

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GOOD JOB TODD. THAT IS AS IT SHOULD BE AT UKC.
INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY!

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Registered: Aug 2003
Location: Ga.
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Well that sure was a lot of fun. Thanks everyone for responding.
Next time I will use a longer stick when I poke at a Hornets nest.
"Use guys" have a good weekend.

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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Eddyville, Iowa
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Slick, you still have the ability to get people to write on your posts. Did you train the sheep also? Anyway, you havn't found out anymore in two days than you knew in the beginning.

I do beleive Mr. Morgan hit it on the head with his post and that is the way it should be. But, oh boy, will this thing light up if someone is guilty! This is better than those darn soap operas. I can't wait to see the end!

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