Registered: Aug 2007
Location: granbury texas
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now don't take this wrong, but i was just wondering what to do about a judge that picks he's buddy's dog ever time. i have a dog that has made it to best of show, ever time it has been on the bench. i got best of show at first show we put her in so not worryed about ch. . but one of the jugdes that i have competed under 3 times, and seen 2 other shows and the same guy seems to win no matter what he puts up there. now some of them are good looking dogs, some not so good looking. now i dont plan on winning them all. but it sure makes me mad to know that. no matter how hard i work-train my dogs the buddy system gets you anyways.please post your thoughts

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Have you asked the judge about his decision reasoning?
He may "see" things differently then you do.

If not, don't waste your time and money showing at that club. You have to take loosing in stride! Trust me, I have lost enough times to vouch for that!
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Good luck with it! I'm sure you are doing a great job with your dogs!

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Heck, that's nothing. We got a guy from Michigan that comes down to our PKC hunt every month and wins everytime. I mean we have these hunts once a month , every month, year around and this guy wins just about every month. I have put 5 different judges on his cast and he still wins! What should I do??????

Really sux when somebodys dog is just good..

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If you think this feller is doing you wrong? Well then just don't show under him. To bad its that way. Good luck to you.

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There's a difference between HUNTS & SHOWS. You can't compare the two. HUNT wins are based on a DOG'S performance & SHOW wins are based on an INDIVIDUAL'S opinion/performance. On THAT note - (I've been showing dogs since 1949), there will always be good show judges along with a few that make questionable decisions. The standard answers from the "questionable" judges for their choices are: 'I liked that dog the best; that dog had better running gear; that dog was more mature; that dog looked like it could hunt; that dog had the best muscles." I consider all of those responses as empty words that don't reveal the judge's actual knowledge or abilities. Clubs don't always have many choices when selecting a BSJ, especially now with the high cost of travel. Some clubs have access to more BSJs than others, and a few have "political" agendas & that's why exhibitors want to know who's judging before traveling to a show. I win a few & lose a few - if I didn't enjoy the shows and the people who participate, I certainly wouldn't continue hauling dogs and racking up miles on my truck. I appreciate those who help the clubs by donating their time to judge because it's a fact that there will always be happy winners & possible criticism from those who didn't win. And sometimes BSJs take undeserved abuse.

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My point is who's to say the judges friends dog isn't just plain better than the other guys? If the dog is better, it SHOULD beat him everytime.

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I'm not saying the judge is doing right or wrong. the judge has standards to go by and when you enter your dog you are asking that man to make a diection from these standards if you don't like what he choose for a winner ask what was wrong with your dog. its not easy to judge a show and there will be someone who don't like the judges chooses so all I can tell you is if you are not a judge study the book get your licenses judge a few shows and see if everyone agrees with you. I have also seen where the 3 pannel sysetm has had 3 different winners to start with.

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I wish it were easy to say stop supporting that particular club, but we all have to look into the future. With the price of gas at an all time high, and continuing to rise, we have no choice but to drive more to local clubs in order to finish a dog. Therefore maybe UKC can take into consideration some things to implement to clubs, like you must have at least 3 ACTIVE licensed bench show judges and they must rotate per event. Judges must attend a judging seminar to renew their license say every 3-4 years. Maybe this would keep an active list of judges that are truly "judging dogs" and not people. I would like to see those that judge the NATIONAL events attend a seminar yearly that Kathy Lorenzen & Mark Therfall host before they can judge at state or national level.

Dogs have taken a drastic change to correct a lot of conformation/structure problems we've had for the past 10 years, and we still need to correct some more. So judges and breeders are getting more education. Let's keep it improving!

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just a thought have your club keep a picture scrape book of all dogs an handlers. the club i joined this year i asked if we could do it they liked the idea . should help every one in long run inprove

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Read your rule book......it clearly states that "you pay for the judges opinion" if you don't like his/her opinion call ahead of time and see whos judgeing and just don't go!!!!!!

I don't think theres a legal thing UKC or the club can do about it.....

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Jim, if he keeps winning every month you can bar him from the club. That's what some clubs do if you win to much. LOL!

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I wish it were easy to say stop supporting that particular club, but we all have to look into the future. With the price of gas at an all time high, and continuing to rise, we have no choice but to drive more to local clubs in order to finish a dog. Therefore maybe UKC can take into consideration some things to implement to clubs, like you must have at least 3 ACTIVE licensed bench show judges and they must rotate per event. Judges must attend a judging seminar to renew their license say every 3-4 years. Maybe this would keep an active list of judges that are truly "judging dogs" and not people.

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i have never had a problem with a judge.i would say
the nfl,nba and mlb have found out after instant replay
judges or right 90% of the time.

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There's a difference between HUNTS & SHOWS. You can't compare the two. HUNT wins are based on a DOG'S performance & SHOW wins are based on an INDIVIDUAL'S opinion/performance. On THAT note - (I've been showing dogs since 1949), there will always be good show judges along with a few that make questionable decisions. The standard answers from the "questionable" judges for their choices are: 'I liked that dog the best; that dog had better running gear; that dog was more mature; that dog looked like it could hunt; that dog had the best muscles." I consider all of those responses as empty words that don't reveal the judge's actual knowledge or abilities. Clubs don't always have many choices when selecting a BSJ, especially now with the high cost of travel. Some clubs have access to more BSJs than others, and a few have "political" agendas & that's why exhibitors want to know who's judging before traveling to a show. I win a few & lose a few - if I didn't enjoy the shows and the people who participate, I certainly wouldn't continue hauling dogs and racking up miles on my truck. I appreciate those who help the clubs by donating their time to judge because it's a fact that there will always be happy winners & possible criticism from those who didn't win. And sometimes BSJs take undeserved abuse.

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Heck, that's nothing. We got a guy from Michigan that comes down to our PKC hunt every month and wins everytime. I mean we have these hunts once a month , every month, year around and this guy wins just about every month. I have put 5 different judges on his cast and he still wins! What should I do??????

Really sux when somebodys dog is just good..

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I did. He showed up again anyway. And won. With a different dog.

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I really don't see why everyone gets so wound up over these bench shows...

I bench show my dogs.. I have lost to dogs one night and then showed against them the next night under a new judge and won..

That is just the way the world turns... Don't show under that person.. Or go and contribute your money to the club, get your butt whooped and chalk it up to better luck next time

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