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if you are judging a show & you have good caliber hounds showing against each other. all are close in conformation. one dog is a hunting dog others are show dogs. does being a hunting dog have any bearing on your dissision ??

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Remember, you're judging the CONFORMATION of the dogs. I Have a HUGE PROBLEM with bench show judges who decide on winners based on knowledge that certain dogs hunt. There are no two dogs on this planet without differing conformation. After a judge evaluates gait, overall balance, proportion, respresentation of breed standard, there are MANY less significant conformation items that can be addressed to choose the winner - and whether or not a dog hunts should NOT be one of those!

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If you are the judge and you don't know the dogs or the handlers how are you going to know which dog is a hunting dog and which dog is a show dog? Unless they already have a NTCH or GNTCH title. Either way it should have no bearing in the outcome.

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If there is a question about an injury or scar, then it can be a factor within the rules. However, I have never asked about any scars or abnormal injuries that did not happen in the woods according to the handlers. We have to ask, but we all know the answer before we do. I guess that you would say that I agree with Skyblu on this one wholeheartedly, this is a Bench Show. When we turn the lights out whether or not they hunt is the issue then, not as long as they are being gaited and shown on the bench.

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this is just a highpethetical question, boy i bet i really screwed that word up !! LOL. but if both dogs are equal in every department & you got to make a dessision would this be apart of your dessision ? not trying to stir nothing up about hunting or non hunting dog. i have great respect for people & thier dogs that only show !! but would this come into play with your decission ?

not trying to be smart but give me 10 seconds with most dogs & i can tell you wether or not this dog is hunted much or not. (i said most dogs)

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There is always an area where one dog is better than the other, I have been in a situation close to this before, and there is always a way to split the dogs, One of my personal favorites is to have the handlers go to the other side of the bench, if your dog isn't used to being worked from both sides they will absolutely fall apart. Either way, hunted or not makes no difference on the carpet to me.

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this is just a highpethetical question, boy i bet i really screwed that word up !! LOL. but if both dogs are equal in every department & you got to make a dessision would this be apart of your dessision ? not trying to stir nothing up about hunting or non hunting dog. i have great respect for people & thier dogs that only show !! but would this come into play with your decission ?

not trying to be smart but give me 10 seconds with most dogs & i can tell you wether or not this dog is hunted much or not. (i said most dogs)

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If, as you say , the dogs are perfectly matched and perform flawlessly in all aspects then I see no other option (hypothetically speaking of course) than to flip a coin. Hey it works in the hunt portion, and we don't have any minus points to work with here. That being said, I would love to see that be the problem that I have with most bench shows around here. When you get used to seeing marginally acceptable and just decent dogs on your benches, it is a refreshing change to see the quality go up.

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IMPOSSIBLE for 2 dogs to be perfectly matched. They aren't made of wood or stone - they're alive, with subtle differences that a BSJ should be capable of evaluating.

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this is just a highpethetical question

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ok brad i'm going to put you on the spot, i know with you judging a show, who you are or what breed you are judging goes out the window when you judge a show. hunting dog or non hunting dog makes no difference. but this would not sway you just a teeny weeny, teeeny weeeny bit. just a teeeny weeeeny bit. LOL

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Have you ever heard me ask whether or not a dog is hunted? I don't ask, because I don't really care. Until we start drawing out for the hunt that part of the dogs training is totally irrelevent as far as I am concerned. The only advantage a hunted dog is going to have over most of the show dogs in our area is the physical conditioning and muscle tone that they develop out in the woods. However, if you get them out of the kennel and walk them on a walker, or jog them behind a truck for a couple of miles 2 or 3 times a week you can achieve the same conditioning without ever taking them hunting.

So, to answer your question, not one itty bitty bit!!! I would love to be able to to give some bonus points for dogs that hunt over the show dogs, but I don't see that happening in my lifetime.

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What if you are judging a show, and the dogs that are entered are so patheticly close to barely meeting Breed Standards that you have trouble picking out the best one??? Would you want me to flip a coin then, or just keep looking them over until I find the one that most closely meets the standards? My point is that it's always easier for me to find the flaws in a really nice dog to split them than it is to pick the best of the worse.

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i guess your right it would be harder to pick from the best of the worst. i have seen some & showed some that were pretty, well lets just say not to good !! that would be tough to give credet to a dog that just does not really look the best or handle the best.

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Remember, you're judging the CONFORMATION of the dogs. I Have a HUGE PROBLEM with bench show judges who decide on winners based on knowledge that certain dogs hunt. There are no two dogs on this planet without differing conformation. After a judge evaluates gait, overall balance, proportion, respresentation of breed standard, there are MANY less significant conformation items that can be addressed to choose the winner - and whether or not a dog hunts should NOT be one of those!

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I have seen nowhere in the breed standards where it says a dog must tree a coon!!!!!

And THAT, ladies and gentlemen is why we have so many cull pups and dogs today!!!!!!!!

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this is just a highpethetical question, boy i bet i really screwed that word up !! LOL. but if both dogs are equal in every department & you got to make a dessision would this be apart of your dessision ? not trying to stir nothing up about hunting or non hunting dog. i have great respect for people & thier dogs that only show !! but would this come into play with your decission ?

not trying to be smart but give me 10 seconds with most dogs & i can tell you wether or not this dog is hunted much or not. (i said most dogs)

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