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I bought a dog that I saw a pile of pictures of him treeing. he is four years old and he will quiet ever tree he gets on. Trees about 2 or 3 min's. then he'll come off. What should I do? Thanks

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I would tie him back and shoot a coon out to other dogs and make him watch a couple times.

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This is the only dog that I have right now thats treeing. I have a pup that I am wanting to train with the old dog but I dont want the old dog messing the pup up on treeing. but I dont know what to do?

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Registered: May 2006
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Take him with a friends dog that will tree a coon and do that or stay on top of him when he is running track and wen he hits the tree run in there and pet him up tie him back and make a big deal out of it. Make it so he wants to stay treed if this doesnt work you got gyped sorry but someone has beat the cowboy hell out a that dog.

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What is he doing when he leaves the tree ??
Is he Checking out from the tree in a Arc and Still Hunting ??
After he leaves the Tree does he come back to it ??

Lots of questions about him before anyone could answer correctly.

This is where Light collar is needed to see if he checking for a Critter that has jumped out or taped the tree..

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I would have tried him before buying....The pictures were probably him barking at a caged coon or something...Aint much you can do with a dog already 4 and has bad habits.

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Registered: Jun 2003
Location: Cairo, Missouri
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Not sure how many dogs it would work with but I took a dog on trial that was almost 4 and was told he would mill around the tree after treeing. First night he treed a coon with me he was on his way back to me when I got to him. I scolded him and he went back to the tree. Never left another one in two weeks. Found out later the dog had never been hunted alone and didn't have to or was not made to stay on the tree. I hunted him for a year all by himself (only dog I had at the time) so he had to do it by himself and stay.

He only left one tree after that, well kind of, he treed when I was almost there he went about 30 yards and treed again started to him and he went back on the first tree, this happened about 3 times. Stayed at the first tree and handled him had a coon there. Knocked it out and cut him loose and he treed on the second tree again had a coon there also. Not good for comp hunt but great for a hide night. LOL!

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I got an even better one for ya....

I have a 17 year old kid hunting with me that was in search of a hound. He was just looking for an average broke dog that he could enter in a nitehunt and maybe train a pup with. A mutual friend was getting reports from his partner 8 hours away that he partner had just come across such hound as his original owner had been injured and could no longer hunt the dog. This fella claimed he hunted the dog 4 nights and he was making 2-3 trees a night (in February) and the dog always had the coon or a legit den.
So this young hunter goes down and buys the dog. We have hunted him approximately 15 nights in all types of conditions generally alone but a few drops with company. I have yet to hear or see the dog tree for more than 30 seconds. With company he will be in the "vicinity" milling around. Alone he might locate on a tree, will not settle in until you shine a light on him but generally will just boo hoo around all night or locate on 80 % of the trees in the woods. He is the sorriest 6 year old hound I've ever seen. Pain in the a$$ to catch in the woods. Likeable dog with a decent mouth and decent disposition but has little to no ability. We hunt him with a lighted collar and if I run fast enough when he looks up I might see a coon but the dog is usually off milling before we get there.
I called the fella that did the selling and he claimed the dog was pen stale and had only been hunted 8 nights in the last 2 years. I called the original owner and he claimed the dog was also penstale but when he had him "he could be a little slow on track someitmes but was a nice solid little treedog."
I'm not a big fan of culling dogs but I can't figure out why anyone fed this dog for almost 7 years. The kid has $700 in to him and he doesn't even want to hunt him anymore. His dad (who doesn't really hunt) also has money invested in him doesn't want to cull him.
Someone knowingly screwed over a 17 year old kid new to the sport. That doesn't sit well with me.
By the way, we're in the market for a dog for a 17 year old kid. Not interested in anyone's junk.

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Got a real good lookin dog few years back. He was supposed to be first and first kinda dog. To make a long story short he got left in the woods a couple of times cause he WOULD NOT stay treed with or without company and would not come when called. He got sent back to his previous owner. Bad thing was about a month later I get a call from a guy thats thinkin on buying the dog, I told him the dog would not stay treed.

I hope you can get your problem solved cause we never could.

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if you can get to the hound before he leaves the tree stay back and watch him. when he leaves the tree tickle him with the tritronics and make him get back on the tree (note I said tickle not electricute). when you get him back on the tree make a big deal of it and let him know you are well pleased. that is what an old school coonhunter has told me to try with one of our pups. he doesn't leave all trees just some. i have been told that hounds tree out of instinct and stay because they are taught. I did have a hound that did this off and on for almost a year. he left 3 trees in one night that had coons in them, right or wrong i lost my temper and me and the hound had a discussion about the boot I was wearing at the time, then took him home and kept him up for about 3 weeks. this was about a year ago and he has not offered to leave a tree since. i don't recommend this remedy but it seemed to work with him.

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Registered: Mar 2008
Location: Texas
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well I got a coon in a roll cage and I hang it here in the yard and he will tree it all day if you let him. I dont know why he want do it in the woods.

Majestic tree H When he comes off he is comeing back to me and he'll hang around a little then go on a hunting.

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The responses I see about fixing dog problems crack me up sometimes. There are so many "old school" , "Old timer", " my dad did it like this so it must be right" methods that are simply ridiculous and make no sense and have no logic.

You havnt really giving enough information to accurately tell how to fix the problem but I have a few suggestions, none of which involve a "discussion with a boot, a tickle with the tritronics or kicking the cowboy hell out of him".

You need to figure out why he's leaving as it could be several reasons. Is he leaving when you get to the tree? I ask this because thats what usually happens when a dog leaves the tree or else we wouldnt actually know for sure he was actually treeing. Some dogs just want to be accurate and if they are not sure then they leave and look for the right one and they never find it.

The dog could be gun shy and associates the gun going off with you getting to the tree so he takes off before you get there.

What I would do and has worked for me is this:

If he is leaving the tree before you get there your never going to catch him, and you cant dicipline him if you cant catch him. Your trying to get the dog to tree so beating him or shocking him at the tree is definitely not going to work. Find someone that has an accurate dog that will stay. Go with that person and keep your dog on the leash while the other dog tracks and then trees. DO NOT TURN YOUR DOG LOOSE AT THIS POINT. Lead him to the tree tie him and find the coon. When you find the coon really pet him and love him up. Dont shoot the coon out. Let him associate his treeing and staying at the tree with you being very pleased with him. About 5-10 times of this and he will start staying if he has it bred in him. If he doesnt then he wasnt bred with all the right tools. This method has worked for me several times.

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Registered: Mar 2008
Location: Texas
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Thanks Roger Thats what he's doing. He is coming off before I can get to him. I have got this cage coon and I have been playing with him here in the yard and he'll tree as long as I'll let him. My problem is I don't really know anyone around here to hunt with I am just getting back started again. Thanks for all the reply's.

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Some advice...a cage coon is used to develop interest in a coon and to use to show a pup where a coon goes when the track on the ground disappears. It might be fun to watch a dog tree on a cage but the fact is that they can and will develop a dependency on seeing the coon before they will tree right. Stop the cage training now and don't show him one again because he knows what a coon is and he knows where a coon goes...he's treeing and leaving so he knows the coon is there. Sometimes dogs put the wrong things together when they are trained. You can't sit them down and explain it to them so it's a matter of conditioning based off cause and effect. Does he like to fight a coon when you shoot it out? Is he afraid of a coon face to face? If he's afraid, maybe he's pulling out early because he doesn't want what happens next. If he likes to fight a coon, then it's motivation for rewarding him.

Put a bell on him or a lighted collar like some have suggested here and keep track of where he was and then where he is after he leaves. Walk or run him down once you have marked the tree and show him your displeasure by shaking him and using a rough, gruff voice to cuss him out...don't have to use cuss words...just make believe :-)

You can functionally teach a dog that the only time something good happens to him is when he's on the tree. The tough part is getting yourself to understand that you can't patch a hole in a dog by doing what makes common sense to you...unless you've figured out how to speak dog language...it has to be a cause and affect response showing the dog that when he does something good, then something else good happens... Correction after leaving a tree and praise for staying is the goal. If you can see the tree he was on, you can take him back to it after catching him and correcting him on the spot where you catch him. If a dog acknowledges a tree and leaves, he needs to be corrected. If they never really acknowledge it then you can't correct them for leaving. If he was on a tree and leaves, take him back and tie him, find the coon and then praise him and/or reward him with the coon. If nothing is in the tree, don't say or do anything...just snap him up and move on to another spot.

One last thing...you can spot light a coon if legal in your state or you can release a coon for him and see if he acts the same way on tracks that are good and that you know he has taken the right direction. Under controlled circumstances it is much easier to make corrections than it is when you're always guessing whether or not he actually even treed on a tree with a coon in it. You can't praise him on the tree if you never get to one while he's there and you can't praise him for treeing a coon without him having a coon in the tree.

Give it a try...you're spending unproductive time now so use these tactics and see if it doesn't make a difference.

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Wrangler where are you located in Tx?

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Beaumont.

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a smoking hole in his head and start over you can feed and keep a good dog better than junk cheeper,try the next one out befor you buy or most will lye through there teath befor they tell the trouth all most wount is your money on here

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I see your new. I realize some of you may not know who Topdog is. He's been training hounds for 30 plus years. I would take his advice to heart.
I had acouple of problems with my oldest gyp. Tom had me come up and we worked thru both problems toot sweet.
Healing was one. I got sick of being dragged around. The last one was just leaving the tree. She wouldn't let me catch her at the tree. She figured out there was no paycheck and when I got there we would be going to a different drop. She'd leave and go strike another track. Just couldn't catch her. 10 minutes of yard work and problem is 90% solved. just need a little more woods time.

Here's some piks of the other night. Notice the leash. I could literaly walk right up to her and leash her up. No chasing. Man its nice.
Good luck,
Scott

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