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#1, as far as I'm concerned the ban on horse slaughter is the worst thing to happen to US agriculture of all time. I also believe its unconstitutional and cant believe the Supreme Court not only let it stand, they have refused to hear cases brought on by the plant owners.

#2, if you believe the ban is a good thing do me a favor and go cuddle up with your bunny on another thread somewhere.

#3, horses are livestock and no different than a cow, hog, or chicken. I personaly wouldnt want to eat a horse, but I sure as heck have no problem selling them to someone who does, and dont mind if my dogfood has them in it.


Now what brought this on. Our local Amish comunity has a sale every year where they sell extra horses, wagons and buggys, tack, building supplys, handmade furniture, ext. It draws a crowd of literaly thousands every year.

This years sale was the weekend before last, and was the biggest one yet. I watched every one of the 80+ horses sale, and just couldnt get over how bad the market was. While a few kids ponys, the best standerdbred buggy horses, and a couple of the best teams of work horses brought decent prices, most had little or no value at all.


The draft horses brought from $250- $1900 for singles, and $500 to $3800 for teams. The average was about $500 for singles and $1000-$1200 for teams. Draft yearlings and colts had to beg for a bid. All sold for less than $300 if they werent dead broke or acted like they had any fire. Most that brought any kind of price at all were kept within the Amish comunity.

Standerdbreds and crosses brought from $200-$2200 for dead broke ones, and agian the colts couldnt hardly be given away. All the good ones were kept within the Amish comunity as well.

Friggen miniture ponys and kids ponys had a super market, and the prices were as good as I ever saw at anytime.

I bought probably the best built weanling Ive ever seen. Haflinger/Morgan cross, August stud colt, built like a tank. Price:$30. Ive watched this colt in action for over a week and havnt found a fault in him yet. Lineback dun with faultless confermation and tons of action on the move. He's gonna be something on a buggy and in work harness next year.

I have wanted a team since we had to sell the mules I worked as a kid when the old man who owned them died. I worked them from the time I was 6 untill I was 16. I fell for an 8 year old Percheron mare instead, and have a pair of Percheron colts bought when there old enough to wean. The mare PO'ed at the sale and I bought her afterwords. I pick her up this weekend. The colts wont be old enought to be picked up untill fall.

The mare is dead broke for anyone to work or ride, and I will use her to break a few other colts to harness while Im waiting for mine to get old enough to work. She also has a date with a jack, as well as a job pulling hedge posts out Ive cut and I cant drive to.



I gave $800 for her, and I can remember when drafts started at that or more for slaughter and went up from there. At a time when the price of everything else has gone threw the roof, horses are at rock bottem with no end in sight.

I hope the congressmen who voted for it, and people in favor of the slaughter ban, choke on the market.

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Now instead of selling them old burnt out nags, just gonna have to get rid of them the old fashion way and get nothing for them. Another reason the economy sucks. Farmers and ranchers are losing money that was once made and put back into circulation of the economy.
Like you said I would never eat horse either there is way too much good beef out there, but I dang sure don't have a problem with the people that do. Talk about all the starving people all over the world, I bet they would rather eat a good horse steak than the pile trash they are used to eating.
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I totally agree with everything said. Due to the bad winter and last years drought, we now have to watch on the news were horses are being starved because they cant sell them and there werent any feed. I hope these politicians realize the chain of events they have sent forth.

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Larry - Let's go partners on a cheap standard bred and make some money at the harness races !! You take care of him, train him and drive him. I'll send some hay money once in a while. C'mon!

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I wonder how long it will be till they start hauling them out into the country and turning them loose on some dirt road the way they do with their dogs and cats.

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I disagree. No, I am not a "tree hugger". I hunt, own guns, have dogs, horses, and children. The problem with the horse market is not much different than the puppy mills that everyone hates, People are irresponsibly breeding junk horses that nobody wants. How many people do you know that breed that mare just to see what color baby she will have? Then they whine and cry when that wild two year old can't get sold at the sale barn. A good trained horse will still bring money, just not at a sale. Granted...there are horses out there that do not have a use...sick, lame, mean. They need put down. You have a junk coon hound you cull it, not send it to a slaughterhouse. The horses that are being turned loose or starved are the product of people who don't take care of their responsibilities. They should be punished and persecuted the same as someone who starves or dumps a dog. Just my opinion.

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post a pic of your haflinger/morgan colt.

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lift that slaughter ban and that junk wild 2 year old etc can get sold. people that starve horses etc are gonna do that regaurdless. horses being turned loose on roads is because there is no market for them. the whole deal back fired on some that thought it would bring the price of registered horses up and they could sale them for big prices. backyard Joe breeding his culls has never effected the price of the registered horses. all backyard Joe was doing was helping the killers with product. just hang on its gonna get lots worse if someone dont get something done and lift the ban. you find a slaughter market that pay folks cash for cull hounds and see how many hounds show up there. lol

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I'm very confident that if you polled all equine owners in America, you would find that an overwelming majority would be in favor of the horse slaughter market. As always, it is those who are not directly involved in the sport that are most responsible for making the laws that control the sport.

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I'll jump right in here!!! I work at a Horse Sale the 2nd and the 4th Sat. of every month. The problem is NOT JUNK Horses !!! The PROBLEM is that people that buy a horse they CAN'T even feed there family and then think they can feed that horse!!! $10 for a bale of hay and $11 for a bag of feed!! 1 month later that horse comes back to the sale, has lost 100 pounds has had nothing to eat has to have the Blood draw,$25, $5 yardage, and a $20 min. commisions charge the horse only brings $20 . HE OWES US!!! We have to bring back the KILLING market. If not we are not going to be watching out for DEER on the side of the road, it's going to be HORSES!!!! They are turnning them lose every day here. That is just OUR good GOVERNMENT at work for US!!!

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Todd,

Sounds good to me. LOL. Always wanted to try harness racing anyway.


Jessica,

I have no problem putting junk hounds to use somewhere else rather than buzzard bait either. I dont know if its still around, but there used to be a serum truck that bought junk hounds. The price was something like $25, but better than leaving them in the woods or along the road somewhere.

Your argument doesnt hold water for other reasons.

#1) Dairy cows that dont make the standerd are made into hamburger.

#2) The best breeding practices still produce more culls than not.

#3) Horses are no different than any other farm animal and its time people woke up to that fact.

#4) The slaughter market for every species sets the base for all other markets for that species.


#5) If I wanted to raise a line of horses specificly for slaughter, never intended to be ridden or worked, its no bussiness of congress. Agian there a farm animal. No different than a cow, pig, or chicken.


Nick,

I'll have Chels take a pic of him when she gets home from school. I think theres one on Photobucket already, but for the life of me I cant remember the password.




Theres another little story behind the Morgan cross colt. Staceys dad was raised on a ranch a few miles south of here. In fact the origenal 1700 acres that started Bushwacker Wildlife Area was there ranch.

When Stac and I first got married, her dad had a Morgan/QH cross gelding that was in his 20's. Her dad is 200lb+ and that horse was barely 14 hands and maybe 900lbs. He had been used on that 500 head cow/calf operation most of his life. Ridden all that time by her dad. He had a reputation for being bar none the best roping horse in the area. They gave her dad alot of crap about roping off of a sheep, but when push came to shove and they needed the best ol Cook was the one thay asked for.


I rode him the last time he was ridden, and he was 24. That was in Oct and he died in Feb. He outran a pretty good 3 year old and Stac's 12 year old gelding. Left them in his dust at 24.

In his teens that horse, Cookie, held a 2000+lb brama bull by himself because the other horses rope broke. The bull broke its neck trying to get away from him but couldnt budge that ol badger.

This new colt, Breeze, reminds me alot of ol Cookie.

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I have walkin horses and a friend of mine raises, trains, breaks and sales walkin horses. We have this exact same conversation every time we go huntin, or at least it seems that way. YES!!! the killer market needs reopened. But people have changed too in what they want. A few short years ago people would buy a good made colt of just about any color. Now if it's not a 5 year old, broke to death, absolute bomb proof gelding no-one wants it, UNLESS it has more chrome than a 57 chevy. You can still get pretty good money for a real nice horse, But a good average horse will not bring what it is worth. Larry you are absolutely correct, the slaughter market needs reopened, these animals are livestock. This is exactly what happens when a half crooked gov. listens to the fanatic tree huggin people who would rather starve an animal than kill it humanely.

Larry, Sorry for ranting on your post, just needed to get that out there.

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I raise Quarter Horses, the market for them caused me to stop breeding altogether, cheaper to buy a 2 year old for next to nothing than raise it. However, the ones that aren't fast enough to be eating my feed have to go somewhere else. I just sold a AQHA / NFQHA registered horse for $500.00 and was happy to get that for him!! This was a real nice quiet little trail or western pleasure horse that just wouldn't run Barrels and Poles and would have brought $2500 - $3000 when the market was open. There are horses out there that need to be hanging on a meat hook, if for no other reason than public safety. That being said, I have eaten horse meat before and would again with no problem whatsoever. Lets face facts, you can kill a deer in the wild, covered with ticks, lice and other parasites and the processing plants will work it up for you but they can't process a horse with a clean bill of health from a vet??????? Is it just me or is that a kind of retarded mentality for the pulic health consideration? What's next banning processing cattle because of the singing California cow commercials?

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I just can't understand why anybody would do such a thing as pass this law. They have to be dumb or hate horses.

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Brad,

Rant all ya wont, that's what I was doing when I started this post. LOL



Best I can find out, the slaughter ban passed the house but hasn't been voted on by the senate because of a clerical error. Not sure if that info is still up to date or not though.

The owners of the plants in Texas tried to get the Supreme court to hear there case, but was denied. The owners of the plant in Indiana were trying to get there case heard as well, but the general feeling was they wouldn't hear there's either.


Congress needs to get the message that animal rights groups are domestic terrorists at best, and have used the horse slaughter market to farther there agenda of banning all animal ownership. I promise you if we let this one go, there will be another animal on the line before long.

There tactic is to divide animal owners to chip away towards that ultimate goal. Funny thing is they have no problem destroying all those animals, just people using them for anything while there alive or once there dead. Classify them as agriculture terrorists and see how quick they dissolve.

Stop the senate from passing the bill if its not already too late, or push them to repeal it if it is. Vote out the ones that don't get the picture, and keep pushing until the markets are reopened for good.

You folks in Texas need to get that 1949 law banning horse slaughter for human consumption repealed as well. Supposedly one of those plants is still operating for the big cat and dog food markets.

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Used to a man could make a living off horses..My grandpa never worked a public job..Traded on horses his entire life!! Made a good living..NOT NOW!!! Most all the horse sales around here have even shut down! These people are crazy nowadays!

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Uncle Sam knows there was money made on trading horses and wasn't getting his share. So now its like revenge on the working man. It's getting to where only the rich can own a horse. Same with dogs they know there's money made between dog traders & back yard breeders and they want their share. Uncle Sam wants to know every transaction..
I have read about mandatory spay and no breeding of dogs without a permit laws trying to be passed in certain cities and then they will move to counties ect.
Right now they are trying to pass a law for those who live in the county to have to get a permit everytime you want to build a fence, lean too, barn or add on. Before long no one will own any land it will all be owned by the government and we will be working to live on it. JMO.

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I WORK WITH THE AMISH, AND WE GOT TO THE HORSE SALES.. I'VE SEEN A TIME WHEN YOU COULDN'T HARDLY GIVE A DECENT HORSE AWAY.. YOU BRING IN A YOUNG SPUNKY STANDARD BRED TROTTER THAT HAS 4 WHITE SOCKS AND A SMALL BLAZE DOWN HIS FACE AND SIT BACK AND WATCH THE ROOF RAISE.. IN OUR COMMUNITY THOUGH A DECENT HORSE HAS NO VALUE... PETE SLONE

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Gas keeps going up, might be more folks wanting a horse again......

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They are already turning horses loose down below here in the Shawnee Nat'l. Forest.

Back in the early 90's, I was still living in Oklahoma when the bottom fell out of the Ostrich & Emu market. There were 6 Emu running loose in my neighborhood at different times. They would just haul them out somewhere & turn them out.

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I disagree. No, I am not a "tree hugger". I hunt, own guns, have dogs, horses, and children. The problem with the horse market is not much different than the puppy mills that everyone hates, People are irresponsibly breeding junk horses that nobody wants. How many people do you know that breed that mare just to see what color baby she will have? Then they whine and cry when that wild two year old can't get sold at the sale barn. A good trained horse will still bring money, just not at a sale. Granted...there are horses out there that do not have a use...sick, lame, mean. They need put down. You have a junk coon hound you cull it, not send it to a slaughterhouse. The horses that are being turned loose or starved are the product of people who don't take care of their responsibilities. They should be punished and persecuted the same as someone who starves or dumps a dog. Just my opinion.

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its the same down here horaes aint bringing squat and yes we need to bring back the slauter houses nad yes if they did it with the cull coon dogs every dog trader here would go out of business and these young kids trying to coon hunt mite find a decent dog instead of some crap eating deer running no treeing son of a bisket eater like they have most of that have or have had a REAL coondog would not feed some of these pee poor excuses of a coon dog and yes i also have aqha-nfqha horses that are champions and aint worth nothing to anyone but me. couldnt give away a breeding i own a 5 yr old stud great grand son of poco beuna and 2 eyed jack flashy bay with lots of chrome. thanh ya,ll after that sermon i feel better. but its really our fault the goverment works for us we vote em in and work like dogs and get paid like puppys so they can be on the gravy train. and yet they treat us as if we work for them.

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I wish every one of you could come to osage county and look at all the mustang horses our government has sent here. There are thousands of them. They haul these horses from Neveda and California from the high desert country at your expence as a tax payers to these big ranches to live out there lives. I dont think moving these animals from BLM land out west to private owned land in oklahoma is doing anybody a favor exept the animal rights and these very large ranches who are benefiting from this program. $800 dollars per head per year is what these people are getting for pastureing horses doesnt sound like much but put five or ten thousand of these horses in your county just an estimate there are probably more see what it does to your tax base there is no buying or selling no property tax no commision at the sale barn no medicine bought at the vet or local feed store this a not a place for them to live a quality life its a place for them to die out of site once you get a pot load of number brands on deads call them they send another load pretty sweet deal for the non profit organizations that are pushing this and the ranchers who have no capital outlay. YOU the TAX PAYER are the only one with capital outlay. But dont worry our our govt is going to send you $300 to stimulate the economy I think Ill buy a cat dog with mine bet he will be a good one dont yuoy

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