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This is just a hypothetical question...............

Three dog cast A,B,C strike and A and B tree together dog C splits. A and B have there coon and when you get to dog C his coon is in the next tree over. Small limbs touch between the trees. How would you score dog C?

I know this sounds like a dumb question and I know how everyone will answer but I got bored today and read the rules again and this just hit me funny????? LOL

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This is just a hypothetical question...............

Three dog cast A,B,C strike and A and B tree together dog C splits. A and B have there coon and when you get to dog C his coon is in the next tree over. Small limbs touch between the trees. How would you score dog C?

I know this sounds like a dumb question and I know how everyone will answer but I got bored today and read the rules again and this just hit me funny????? LOL

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As far as one tree or two? You score it however the judge decides to before the first light goes up.

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As far as one tree or two? You score it however the judge decides to before the first light goes up.

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JiM, I guess the reason I said it sounds like a dumb question is this........... I have hunted in the hunts now UKC/PKC for about 22 years and this come up today with me and Loyd Wilson

I was telling him a story about a hunt I was on about 10 years ago and this happened to me, I was dog C. They voted to minus me because alltho they said the limbs touched they didnt "think" the coon crossed!! LOL I giggled and put a ? on the card and the panel turned it over like in my mind they should of.

And out of nowhere Lyod asked me where in the rules it says if the trees touch or if the coon can cross you plus it? Now Ive probably read the rules hundereds and hundereds of times and was sure it was in there BUT.................I dont see it? lol

Is this rule kinnda like the canopy rule hunters made up for our benifit? Ole Loyd kinnds stired me on this one

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canopy rule ...LMAO..... AINT HEARD THAT ONE IN A WHILE!!

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canopy rule ...LMAO..... AINT HEARD THAT ONE IN A WHILE!!

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I guess the question is with all good conscience could the coon cross out on those limbs. I have seen them cross on limbs that I never would have thought possible. I was hunting one night with Jarvis, Dale Boldin & some more the night they brought Homer back from Ind after they bought him and he got treed with the coon looking at us. Harold Jewell went to squalling with his mouth and that coon got to moving & coming down that tree and climbed out on a small limb which he rode down at least four feet into another tree. When he got in the other tree the limb shot back up and the wasn't anything touching and it would have been impossible to have scored him if he had done it before we got there. We were just pleasure hunting so we plussed him up & went on.

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I misread your question. I thought you were asking if A&B's tree should be scored with your tree.
As for crossing out, that is simply a cast desicion. I am suprised the MOH overturnd that one. If a majority believe the coon didn't cross, I would think the MOH would almost always go with that majority. It isn't a rules question about crossing out, it is a cast desicion as to whether or not that is the coon the dog treed.

The Advisor book does discuss crossing out on page 95 if anyone wants to look it up.

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I was on a PKC hunt three weeks ago as a spectator to try to learn more about the rules. Three dogs in the cast all three treed. When we got to the tree it was on the side of the creek leaning toward the creek with the main trunk of another tree touching its trunk.... Should it be circle or minus?

I just want to know from a rules stand point how it should have been ruled.

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Again, the rules don't directly address this, it is a cast decision. Just look it over good, use your best judgement, vote and move on.

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Jim,
It would actually be a "judges" decision to make and not necessarily an automatic "cast" decision. Of course, if a cast member doesn't agree with the judges ruling on whether there is a sufficient cross-over thus being able to score it in the next tree over then he could question it and ask for a cast vote. It would be a situation where it would take a majority to overturn the judges ruling.

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JiM, I guess the reason I said it sounds like a dumb question is this........... I have hunted in the hunts now UKC/PKC for about 22 years and this come up today with me and Loyd Wilson

Ole Loyd kinnds stired me on this one

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You realy got to be more carefull who you hang out with.

Them ol outlaws like Loyd Wilson will get you in 9 kinds of trouble.



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You score it however the judge decides to before the first light goes up.

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I understand your point John. What I am saying is that if they try to say it is all one tree after they figure out that their dogs are sitting under an empty, that isn't gonna work for me. It is much easier to avoid problems two minutes after the shining starts if it is decided and final as to how we are scoreing them BEFORE we start scoring them.

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Thats my ? for allen can the judge change his mind once shining time as stared?

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I'm sure he can but that will usually end up in front of the MOH and somebody is gonna be unhappy. If the judge says " this is how I'm scoring these trees, anybody want to question it?" BEFORE the shing starts, it is purty hard for anyone to start crying about how it is being scored after the shing starts.

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Will do larrypoe!!

So, in the adviser there is a RULE that says if the trees touch or coon can cross out you plus it??

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well a ? a few years back i was at a hunt dogs were split mine was between us and the other dogs. we went by him to handle and he was standing treed underan oak canopy but was not standing on the tree or at the base. i was minused for bein off tree. i threw my light up and the coon was sittin in the limbs of the oak above. Should the dog been considered showing tree? either way i was beat so it really didnt matter but just curious

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Jessie, In your circumstance it would be a judgmental call. There is no "canopy" rule UKC or PKC. Also, dog does not have to be up on the tree or "right" at the base to be showing that he is treed. As long as the dog is showing where he is treed at is good enough.

Hows hunting on the east coast of Kansas? Im only hunting a 8 month old pup bet its been rough over here!! See ya

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i hadnt been since season opened except the hunt at girard

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