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Randy announced the completion of his December article dealing with statistics and his "revised" project the other day. I don't see the thread anymore, so I'm assuming that it got deleted. I think things got a little out of hand, and I probably contributed to that, so out of respect for Randy I'm reposting the link for those that didn't get a chance to read it and respond. It's an interesting read and worth your time!

http://www.worldclassbreeder.com/Articles.html

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sounds to me this fella is going to raise some goodans. you black breeders better look out, he going to breed you fellas right out of buisness.
.........what wins it what dictates what we hunt and breed. like it or not.

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sounds to me this fella is going to raise some goodans. you black breeders better look out, he going to breed you fellas right out of buisness.
.........what wins it what dictates what we hunt and breed. like it or not.

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sounds to me this fella is going to raise some goodans. you black breeders better look out, he going to breed you fellas right out of buisness.
.........what wins it what dictates what we hunt and breed. like it or not.

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very interesting thoughts. this pretty much shows what is happening with the different breeds. i am English and used to be Walker. i am trying to produce some different blood the will be consistant

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The only problem he will face is he can only register them crossbreed in PKC.........so they only have 1 avenue to compete in.

Pleasure Hounds...........the sky is the limit.

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They can be single registered as Black and Tans, if they meet breed standards on color, and they pass the other requirements.

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Yup, looks like PKC for that group of dogs then lol. I stand corrected!

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to me color has nothing to do with it. i just hapened to find my type of hound to be produced more consistantly in the walker breed. thats why i prefer them over the others. but if someone can improve on that, great. bottom line they are all trailing treedogs, with differant colors. they all pretty much trace back to the same foundation. if i found a purple dog that would get deep, get struck with a big time horn, skip and drift a track, die dead with an impressive locate , and turn it over to a hard never ending pounding chop. i would hunt him .

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I agree..........LOL, cept I am not a Walker fan.

That is what is nice with PKC, there is that avenue to run the crossbreed hounds and still compete against the registered dogs if you choose to go that route.

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The percentages he showed does not mean squat. The walker dog is the most popular for what ever reason. The English have gained popularity since the late 80's. Of course with time, and so many people breeding dogs, a breed can get farther and farther away from it's true bred characteristics and they will continue to get even farther cross breeding them. If he is breeding something he is not completely satisfied with, he is not fixing the problem, he is just dragging another bred into it, to make a coondog Gumbo!

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He likes the looks of a black and tan,but cant find any that measure up to his standards,so he has decided to build his own.

Were his expectations too high when he set out to breed a "purebred" black and tan that suited him?

I wish Randy the best of luck.
I certainly am not gonna bet against him.

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is what im having a hardtime believing is he made this switch to walker dogs after one night of hunting, 3 trees and ONE coon seen.

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is what im having a hardtime believing is he made this switch to walker dogs after one night of hunting, 3 trees and ONE coon seen.

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LOL , maybe he made the switch after many nights of hunting B&T's or seeing how B&T breeders and hunters treat folks .

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Justin does it ever seem like the people you agree with on here are just as retarded as you.I've read some of your posts and i dont think the black and tan guys hate you....in fact i think you've been invited to come to black and tan days by more than one of them....since they have youth casts' and senior casts' at the hunts maybe ukc will come up with a "RETARD" cast and you and both of your friends can hunt agianst each other!!!

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There is a reason that Walkers are so dominant .. it is NOT chance or luck.

More breeders and hunters of the colored dogs are MORE worried about pedigree , color or looks than the Walker hunters are ... by far .. far , far , far.


As soon as you state you won't breed anything but this color , that pedigree or that type .... you have limited your resources and selection.

Your counterpart who sets NO limititations on his breeding , just standards ... has beaten you before you ever started.

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is what im having a hardtime believing is he made this switch to walker dogs after one night of hunting, 3 trees and ONE coon seen.

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I wish I was still a Coonhound Message Board trouble maker. I could have some fun with this one. All I will say is God Bless and I hope whatever you breed you make the right desicison and the outcome is one you like.

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i think you can cross out the many nights of hunting. randy is not a coonhunter he just likes to see his name in the paper. easy to do when your the writer,editor and publisher. the last time randy went hunting he shot himself in the foot.the walker guys wont tolerate him long either.

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Guys if you talk to the real old timers they will just about all tell you that alot of times your best hounds are cross breed. I am a English Man now I use to hunt walkers but I felt the breed had left what I really like in a hound. I am not saying that all walkers are bad I still go with some good ones and would own one if it was the right dog. I have been breeding and training my own stock of dogs now for about 8yrs. I know that this doesn't qualify me as a world renowned breeder and I don't claim to be. But fellas I am seriously considering breeding one of my females to STYLISH RUBE..... Has any one seen the hooch dog cross breed dog. I think he looks great and if he can fly on a track and have a coon LET CONFORMATION FALL WHERE IT MAY.

HARD TIME SPECK ONE OF THE MOST FAMOUS ENGLISH DOGS OF THIS ERA. (WALKER DOG) NUFF SAID.

AND IF I DON'T CHANGE MY MIND I WILL BE HEADING TO WVA. TO BREED TO RUBE, BECAUSE GUYS WHEN I HUNTED WALKERS HE HAS EVERYTHING I LIKE IN A WALKER WRAPPED INTO ONE HIDE....

HAYS, NIGHT HEAT, CLOVER I LIKE IT.. STYLISH GRIZZLY.....SOUNDS NICE.

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There is nothing Walker guys like more than to see B&T's crossed with Walkers.

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when did every thing come down to winning i have been coonhunting for a long time .i have hunted black&tans mostly but i have hunted walkerdogs to and when i load up to go to a hunt i go to have fun and hunt with diffirent people and diffirent dog if i win a hunt that is a plus i hunt black&tans because that is what i like to hunt but i do not want to hunt a croos breed dog that is why there are diffirent breeds so everybody can hunt what they like so why cross breed just hunt the breed that satisfys you nobody esle has got to feed that dog but you

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rofl @ Bruce. I hear ya I could really get the bluetickers stirred up on this one....

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for some reason i have never felt the need to add a shot of black and tan to what i was hunting.

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I never said serious walker guys wanted to add B&T , I just said they like to see it done. It makes for cheap entertainment for them more than anything. Its kind of like being at the mall and laughing at a handicapped person, right?

As for your "one man", I imagine he learned a few other things about what it takes to win, over the years. Or maybe he got more money, lol. When you are talking to him, ask him if he thinks there is a B&T alive right now, that is capable of beating his best walker on any given night. If he says "no", he's lying. If he says, "yes", then he could improve his walkers by breeding to a B&T.

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