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Okay,

I've got this new gadget called a Garmin Astro. I've learned a lot about it, and how to use it.....maybe too much.

I've got a young dog that I thought was a hard hunting, hard hitting little son of a gun......but the Garmin is telling me EXACTLY what he is doing.....

He's turned into an "edge runner".



This is from our hunt last night. He did quite well in the top part of the picture, treeing two coon in the same section. When I put him across the road...he slam dunked one....when I sent him from there....he pulled his old trick, and ran straight down the edge, along the edge, made a loop, and back out into the open.

Mind you...he's treeing coon....but he's also running past, or around a whole lot of good hunting.

My question is...how do I "fix" this?.....how the heck can I hunt in patch woods like I do and keep him moderatly contained? I don't really mind if he hunts one section out and moves on to another....I just don't like him running PAST sections.

Any and all suggestions entertained.

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how many yards across the patch woods? do you have
any feeders out?how much nose does he have?looks
pretty thin around the 3rd tree

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LOL this is exactly what I thought the Garmin would do, tell us exactly what we didnt want to know All these years we thought we knew or know what our dog is doing now this. Once your dog leaves you hes on his own and doing his own thang. How can you control the way he hunts? I dont know but I have one like him when I hunt up north. I just figered he was running around popping the easy coon and alot of them. I cant wait to get a garmin so I can find more ways to get frustrated with my dog lol

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I'm sure many that have these will learn LOTS about their dogs.
I wish i could help you more with the blowing out of the section problem. May be when you reliaze that he's B lineing down the side you could holler at him or tickle him with the tritronics gizmo.
Or wear him down in a big timber then dump in some patches?
Just a thought

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Boy, I'd sure like to put this on a few dogs and see what's going on. These Garmin Astros could make some owners extremely proud of how they're dogs are handling and others terribly disappointed.
Pretty neat tool sure wish I coud find enough change in the sofa to get one.

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Joe,

My experience has been once an edge runner always an edge runner.

We have something not quite as fancy as a Garmin, but it will squeal on a dog nearly as fast ... snow. That is how I come up with the saying that snow never lies.

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This picture is decieving....the first two trees had coon in them, and I LEAD the dog along the edge. He blasted the coon in the third tree, less than 100 yards from where I turned him loose...shooting him back to the woods.

My issue is from the third tree to the fourth tree. He covered all that ground, got hooked, stayed there long enough for me to make two more trees with another dog, walk back to the truck and go get him...the line from the fourth tree to the road is where I lead him back to the truck....

Snow never lies...I like that!

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A friend recently told me not to be surprised to see dogs run the path of least resistance. I manage the situation by simply casting the dog on the downwind side of the woods. Must be a great place to hunt with that many coons and apparently the dog knows it.

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This picture is decieving....the first two trees had coon in them, and I LEAD the dog along the edge. He blasted the coon in the third tree, less than 100 yards from where I turned him loose...shooting him back to the woods.

My issue is from the third tree to the fourth tree. He covered all that ground, got hooked, stayed there long enough for me to make two more trees with another dog, walk back to the truck and go get him...the line from the fourth tree to the road is where I lead him back to the truck....

Snow never lies...I like that!

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Joe,

what direction was the wind out of?

I don't know if you've thought about it yet or not, but you know as well as I do how far a dog can "wind" a coon.

I've seen dogs do the same thing...tree a couple quickies in a small patch, lead them off the tree to turn loose again, dog throws its head up in the wind like it smells something but doesn't open (takes off in a direction (line) Opens a quarter or half away in a hurry (tells me he ran a straight line) and has a coon treed in short order. A dogs nose is a powerful thing and coupled with a brain, they can make a man wonder.

Just a thought.

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Joe,

what direction was the wind out of?

I don't know if you've thought about it yet or not, but you know as well as I do how far a dog can "wind" a coon.

I've seen dogs do the same thing...tree a couple quickies in a small patch, lead them off the tree to turn loose again, dog throws its head up in the wind like it smells something but doesn't open (takes off in a direction (line) Opens a quarter or half away in a hurry (tells me he ran a straight line) and has a coon treed in short order. A dogs nose is a powerful thing and coupled with a brain, they can make a man wonder.

Just a thought.

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Joe,

what direction was the wind out of?

I don't know if you've thought about it yet or not, but you know as well as I do how far a dog can "wind" a coon.

I've seen dogs do the same thing...tree a couple quickies in a small patch, lead them off the tree to turn loose again, dog throws its head up in the wind like it smells something but doesn't open (takes off in a direction (line) Opens a quarter or half away in a hurry (tells me he ran a straight line) and has a coon treed in short order. A dogs nose is a powerful thing and coupled with a brain, they can make a man wonder.

Just a thought.

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where did he strike the coon at?....I have dog that will do this also so I always try to get her into the timber a little ways before i turn her loose.

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I am not sure I see what the problem is. Two of the coon were treed on the edge the other two were probably struck off the edge. Maybe the dog is smart enough to know where to find them at.

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Ajax was a classic edge runner. If you put a lighted collar on him and hunted him where you could watch him in action,he rarely went into a woods on his own. He always took the downwind side or a lane,and thru the country he went. If you saw him put the brakes on and dissapear into the woods,you could almost bank on him being treed shortly.

Ignorance on my part made him that way. Looking back I can see excactly what caused this super nice track dog to almost totally quit running tracks and just drift thru the country ambushing coon.
It amazes me how much a smart hound can teach a dumb trainer. What little I know about training coonhounds was taught to me in most part by the hounds themselves.

We had another one that thought she would rather run those edges and lanes than busting the brush too,but a lighted collar and mr. tritronics pretty much changed her mind. we made a point to always turn her into the rough stuff and if she tried to get around it,we would put her right back in it. She soon decided she would just go ahead and hunt the rough stuff.

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Ajax was a classic edge runner. If you put a lighted collar on him and hunted him where you could watch him in action,he rarely went into a woods on his own. He always took the downwind side or a lane,and thru the country he went. If you saw him put the brakes on and dissapear into the woods,you could almost bank on him being treed shortly.

Ignorance on my part made him that way. Looking back I can see excactly what caused this super nice track dog to almost totally quit running tracks and just drift thru the country ambushing coon.
It amazes me how much a smart hound can teach a dumb trainer. What little I know about training coonhounds was taught to me in most part by the hounds themselves.

We had another one that thought she would rather run those edges and lanes than busting the brush too,but a lighted collar and mr. tritronics pretty much changed her mind. we made a point to always turn her into the rough stuff and if she tried to get around it,we would put her right back in it. She soon decided she would just go ahead and hunt the rough stuff.

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that big circle, is that where you got lost trying to find the truck after the last tree!!LMAO

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that big circle, is that where you got lost trying to find the truck after the last tree!!LMAO

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Dang it...that stupid Garmin even tattles on us hunters! LOL

No, that was him actually "hunting".....the straight line from the fourth tree over to the road is where I drove around and walked in to get him.....then lead him across the field to the road...

He may be smart...but I'm not stupid...I've learned to NEVER get far from the truck when I turn him loose.

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From a training perspective..... you said that you walked him down the edge from Tree 2, and then cut him loose, and he treed within 100 yards. If you normally do this, you may be inadvertently teaching him that he should work the edge (or at least, it might seem that way in his mind).
I would suggest that for 2 or 3 weeks, that you find a way to NEVER walk him on an edge when you have him on lead - when you park the truck, walk directly into woods, when you leash him back up, stay in the woods until you cut him again, or walk directly back to the truck to move - see if you see any improvement in a couple of weeks.
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Hes ruined. Your gonna have to send him south and just so happens I'll take him... We dont have no edges here.. He will have to hit the woods one way or another. I'll drop him in the middle of 10,000ac and see what he does. LOL!!!!

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Hes ruined. Your gonna have to send him south and just so happens I'll take him... We dont have no edges here.. He will have to hit the woods one way or another. I'll drop him in the middle of 10,000ac and see what he does. LOL!!!!

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Don't have an answer to your problem Oak Ridge... But if youd like to send that FANY toy of yours to Va I have a hound I'd love to put it on. I think he's doing alot of the samething yours is.

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IMO this is very common, It seems to me the smart dogs figure out ways to get treed quickly with minnimal effort.

Maybe its just me, but I didnt see very many dogs that hunted this way years ago...but thats neither here or there.


Elvis is a pretty sharp guy, I would heed his advise.

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I'd bet he would use up most of that looking for the edge....I'm sure he'd learn sooner or later, but I'm not sure which one of you would give up first!

His momma is known as "9 Mile Molly".....she earned it.....she is a deep wide hunter....I saw him make a six mile loop.....you sure you want to follow him through 10,ooo acres?

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