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CHRIS SUTTON
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thoughts on the hunt test

Ive said for years that it should be manditory that a dog go thru some kind of test just like this BEFORE it can earn a hunting title such as NT.CH.GR.NT.CH. Earn your points and their put on hold till you pass this test! Holding a UKC degree USED to mean you was packing a nice hound and now there are some nice ones but there are also some that wont leave your feet by themselves! WE COULD BETTER EVERY BREED IF WE DONE THIS AND MADE IT MANDITORY!!

Whats everyone think of this?? dont be shy, Lets here it

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could make for some better casts too! I like the idea.

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I think it has pros and cons the same as everything else.The cons i see are it will be great for those dogs that are too slow,too mean,no mouth,won't take pressure or refuses to do its job(etc. etc.) in the company of others.

It would have meant more to me if it was the final step in earning a degree after a dog had the required points to make nt.ch.

Just my opinion,and that will mean as much to most as this hunt test will mean to me....nothing. lol

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CHRIS SUTTON
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I know Donnie, That what im talking about. Making it the final step to earn the degree. cant beleive there hasnt been more people post on this? Mayb "we" dont want it any harder to get that NT.CH put on our papers? LOL

I WOULD LOVE TO SEE UKC DO THIS....................

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11-08-2007 06:36 PM

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Its really no differ'nt than Trying to Single a Hound.. First you have to Pass the Breed Standards and Conformation. Then The Hunt Test.. And then you can compete in Reg. UKC Events..

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THERE ARE PLENTY OF REALLY GOOD HOUNDS THAT WILL NOT HUNT WITH COMPANY I HAVE ONE THAT BY HER SELF AWSOME WITH HOUNDS SHE KNOWS GREAT GYP , WITH STRANG HOUNDS NOTHING . THIS CAME FROM A GATOR SOME CALL A NICE ONE , I WANT ONE TO TREE BY THERE SELF BUT WITH COMPANY ALSO!!! I THINK WE NEED TO GET THE ILL HOUNDS OUT THEN WORRY ABOUT THE ONES THAT WONT TREE . I CAN BEAT ONE THAT WONT TREE ,BUT ITS HARD TO BEAT A GATOR WITH A NON AGRESSIVE HOUND !!!!! JMO

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CHRIS SUTTON
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quote:
Originally posted by Majestic Tree H
Its really no differ'nt than Trying to Single a Hound.. First you have to Pass the Breed Standards and Conformation. Then The Hunt Test.. And then you can compete in Reg. UKC Events..

Kinnda bad when single reg dogs go thru tougher requirments than nite champion dogs! I still say, Makem tree one by there selves! Castem and stay at the truck till tey tree one and stay for 5. No walking them to a tree. There wont be as many making NT.CH and that a fact

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i'm up for anything that betters the breeds

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No, don't tie it together.

What a dog is doesn't affect you unless you are breeding to it or getting a pup out of it. In that case, SHAME ON YOU, if you depend on either a NTCh or a HTX title to tell you all you think you need to know about a dog.

Instead, administer your own "hunt test" and make sure the dog passes before you breed or get a pup. THAT is how you will better the breeds..

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Are you kidding John??? You want those guys to bust brush behind a hound so they can figure out what to breed to?

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John, I agree with what your saying but when you cant hunt with all the studs you are considering (to far, or they wont hunt them) it would be nice to know they will atleast go hunting and tree a coon by themselves! Its amazing to me how many dogs gt a first place win in open registered hunts now day where there was only two or three dogs showed up at the hunt. Trust me, I judge my dogs everynight as hard as any man hunting. I could tell a little more about yours and others if I knew they had the desire and ability to do it on their own. No piggy backing, No me too'n just them and the Judge. Heck i would even be for not having to pay to get the final hunt certified. Just brings more validity to a dogs hunting ability.

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quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Are you kidding John??? You want those guys to bust brush behind a hound so they can figure out what to breed to?

I can assure you of on thing, Im busting brush behind MINE. And dont have time to follow yours too. Im more than willing to hunt mine alone to prove he or she can and will do it when you cuttem. think it funny that you wouldnt want a dog to prove it deserves the degree earned instead of getting it given to them by another dog or handlers goof in the hunt. Dont be scared to hunt one by itself............... Im not just talking about so you could decide on what to breed to. im talking about CHEAP degrees.

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Another question would be "How many who voted yes in the above poll have never titled a hound in their life?".

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quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Another question would be "How many who voted yes in the above poll have never titled a hound in their life?".

Ive owned my share of both, And put plenty of "titles" on dogs. and yourself sir? oh ya..........I voted YES.

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11-08-2007 08:31 PM

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chris sutton

if there is only a couple dogs at the hunt the dog with the first place has plus points tells you the dog can tree a coon.thanks ron

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With the way this is written it will be no harder for the cheaters to cheat at this. I have been involved in beagle hunts for years and if coon hunting is like that, you have the ones who are going to cheat no matter what. I judged in a beagle hunt and had a judge cheat for his buddy and his buddy won. Luckly I was not master of hounds on that hunt and the master did not stand up to him so the hound ended up winning.

The only way to ever know for sure what your breeding to is to see him in the woods. The greatest coon dog I ever saw had no title on him. He was just a great dog and a meat dog above all. If the comp hunting world would have see him in the woods they would have beat the man's door down to breed to him even with no title. I heard about this dog and did what I had to do to see him. I went for a hunt and ended up hunting with this dog over 100 times in the next 2 years. That is the only way to know what your getting. Titles mean nothing to me, it is all about what he does in the woods. $10,000 dollars would not buy this dog that had no titles because I tried. Meat hunters have some of the best dogs in the world that comp hunters may never see. No titles and no test. Go see what your breeding to. Do not take the owners word on some hunt test that he may have bought and paid for. If the owner will not hunt then move on to someone who will. There are enough "Stud Dogs" out there to find one who will stand behind what he says he has.

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Re: chris sutton

quote:
Originally posted by triker
if there is only a couple dogs at the hunt the dog with the first place has plus points tells you the dog can tree a coon.thanks ron

Or back on one and the other dog take more minus. Im not saying this will prove dogs are better or worst! Im saying that in my opinion and many others.............A dog should have to prove it can hunt, strike, trail and tree a coon and stay there till you get there before it deserves a degree. That way its an earned degree without a chance of backing into one. Whats so hard to understand about that?

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Originally posted by CHRIS SUTTON
John, I agree with what your saying but when you cant hunt with all the studs you are considering (to far, or they wont hunt them) it would be nice to know they will atleast go hunting and tree a coon by themselves!

If a person can't hunt with the stud , whether your fault or theirs , they shouldn't breed to him. Period.
I don't care what anybody says , if they breed to a dog without hunting with it first , they aren't breeding to " better the breed " as they say.
How in the world could anyone possibly say they are trying to " better the breed " if they have no idea whether the stud suits their needs or not?
The only way they could possibly know is to hunt with the dog.

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CHRIS SUTTON
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Lets take the STUD theory out of it. COONDOGS period should in my opinion HAVE to, NOT an option.......... take a similar test before it make a nite hunt degree. Are you telling me you would rather not have to PROVE your dog deserves it? Take all the dout anyone may have about you dog being able to ATLEAST do what its bred to do? Im guessn theres more that cant than there is that can.

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chris we drove to missouri last weekend to a hunt test and passed a grand and a nite ch. and are goin back to try fr the next 2 tests this weekend. we decided to do this to prove that these 2 hounds are worthy of bein titled. i also belive that a hound should have to rerturn to the woods with a master of hounds on completion of reciving its required points for nite ch. we are going to try to start some hunt tests at yhe paola club. myself and dale hurlock will be 2 of the inspectors

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well Jim....

I voted yes on the poll......

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Another question would be "How many who voted yes in the above poll have never titled a hound in their life?".

and yes I have titled dogs (years ago)........ I might add that if I had some of them today & were trying to title them, then I would difinately vote "NO"........ I'm no different then anyone else, if I'm packing a coondog, then yes by all means give any test you like..... if I'm packing a dog that needs or prefers to be in company, then no, no, no the hunts themselves is all the test my dog needs........

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Another question would be "How many who voted no in the above poll are not packing coondogs to the hunts?".

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11-09-2007 03:43 AM

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Agree

quote:
Originally posted by John D
No, don't tie it together.

What a dog is doesn't affect you unless you are breeding to it or getting a pup out of it. In that case, SHAME ON YOU, if you depend on either a NTCh or a HTX title to tell you all you think you need to know about a dog.

Instead, administer your own "hunt test" and make sure the dog passes before you breed or get a pup. THAT is how you will better the breeds..

For people into raising and selling pups, MARKETABILITY usually means more to them than a dogs ABILITY, TRAITS, and CHARACTERISTICS do.

That doesn't apply to me. I'm not a dog jockey. If I'm buying a pup, or raising a litter (haven't done that for a long time), I'm looking for a pup that I will likely hunt for 10+ years. If there are local dogs that suit you, that's generally the best way to go!

I drove about 2,000 miles round trip last year to hunt with a dog I wanted to see. No, he's not 1,000 miles away. I worked a night of hunting into our vacation! If I get to breed to him, which I hope to do, it would be a 1,200-1,300 mile round trip. My female must co-operate for this to work!

I've made a few other trips like this, and have one dog here as a result of these trips. As a general rule, I've found that you are better off dealing locally. I don't travel to see a dog unless I've gotten very positive reviews from people whose opinion I respect (knowledge and honesty)!

If you can look at a puppy or litter as a possible 10+ year investment in your hunting future (in the woods), you may understand what I'm talking about! 10+ years of good hunting is important to me. Too important to buy into the titles, pedigrees, PAD's, and other marketing promotions. I base my opinions on what I actually SEE!

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