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Do you think a dog should pass the new hunt test before being allowed to enter ANY UKC event (hunt, show, field trial, water race etc) and before having any pups registered out of the dog?

If you required it before events then there wouldn't be any dogs make Ch in anything LEGALLY without being able to at least tree a coon alone.

If required before registering then there would be no more dogs LEGALLY registered that didn't come from parents that could at least tree a coon.

Just a question, food for thought.

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Rip, how many dogs do you think the clubs could draw to hunts and shows with such a requirement?
Such a requirement would be the best thing that ever happened to PKC and AKC. But it would be the end of UKC at most clubs.

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I think if done right it COULD improve all the breeds and COULD improve the chances of each pup making something that had the natural ability to tree a coon though.

I don't know that it would kill UKC.

I bet there are plenty of show people that won't like it, but they can't use the excuse that they "just don't like competition hunting". If it's cheap enough they can't use expense. They can't say "I don't want him to get cut up by the mean dogs he needs to look good to show".

The showers excuses would be gone and then we would just see if little miss priss with the manicure really could tree a coon or if it was all show and no go.

Same for the NtCh dogs that won't get out of your light by themselves. You wouldn't have people quitting the hunt when they got to hunt by themselves, or trying to convince the judge to let the last dog that withdrew stay in the cast or be turned loose but not scored.

People like me with limited time couldn't use that either cause it can be done any time you get a day off.

Ain't treein a coon what a dog with Coonhound in it's name is supposed to be able to do?

It looks like there are plenty show people on here voteing already.

Of course I would NEVER stir the pot

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No any dog that can find its food pan can pass a hunt test. A dog hunting by it's self for only 1 hour is not a test, its a QUIZ.


Jim, I dont agree with your statement either. jmo

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Not where I'm from, back home you may not even strike a coon in 1 hour let alone tree it.

Plus there are plenty of ways to draw minus, even by yourself.

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Maybe where you live I dont know, but thats what they said about the location of the world hunt last year and those dogs didnt have a problem treeing coon.

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Things are definately different in Tn. Around here, everybody wants and tries to get it down to a one dog cast so they can hunt alone and run up a big score.

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Not where I live now, where I used to live.

Where I am at you can tree a couple of coon in an hour, or at least hit a couple of tracks. Coon population is good here, not thick but not thin either. Compared to what I was used to this feels like I got coon runnin out my ears LOL

There are getting thicker where I am from, there is more development and fewer coonhunters but they haven't even got up to a decent population there yet.

Where they had the World at is one of the thickest coon places in the state of Tennessee. Sure compared to Indiana there weren't many coon, but to us on this end of the state that end has thick coon.

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I'm for it. I've seen way too many dogs in comp hunts that dont know sic-em from c-mere! jmo

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Wow Jim that way different than the take I have on the whole South vs North hunting. My experiences are there's more bickering down here becasue your only going to score one 1 or 2 coons. Where as up north I usually hear score it and lets go tree another. I thought it was more laid back up north.

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what rip is saying aint that bad of an idea i dont have time to hunt at the club most of the time so i just show but with the hunt test i could show people my dogs are coondogs if you cant do that then dont raise pups

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I think a dog should have to past the test before beeing allowed to be used for stud purposes.. pete

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It sounds like a good idea , but the clubs are barely making it now. We draw only about 10 to 15 now and sure dont wanna do anything to make it less. So , you cant started making new requirments of entering. I understand your reasoning though, but UKC will never do it.

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Well, only a few votes.

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i voted Yes before registering pups but not before entering events.
my theory on this is they should be proven to tree coon before registereing pups out of them however if someone wants to bring a dog that shall we say isnt there yet to a hunt then by all means do it cause i know what i am totin when i show up. im just wandering how i never draw the dogs that cant get it done haha.

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I'm not a show person so dont even think thats why I voted no.I just think its a dumb idea..would be even less dogs at hunts if required this first...besides its not like its a real title all it is is something that pleasure hunters can use tio say yes my dog can tree a coon..I doubt it will ever have the standing or anything remotely close to a grand nite champion title as far as myself I wont even waste my time doing that hunt test I know my dogs can tree a coon by theirself have nothing to prove there to anyone

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Grim that is spoken to me like a real close minded cheat your best friend Comp hunter to me. Just a joke. But I do feel it does need to be required to enter a comp hunt and if it hurts numbers more you might look and your club more than the problems that UKC is supposly bringing. I have a club like that, I dont care if I ever darken the door to again. If they were all this way I would never register or hunt a dog again.

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I voted before the can enter a hunt do away with all the me to dogs . might not be as big of numbers but would be better compition.

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HOw about not having to have UKC police our breeding policies and determining when our dogs are allowed to participate.


How about instead we do this. If your dog IS doing it right, then bring it to the hunts and shows. Personal responsability! Stop breeding show dogs to show dogs, when alot of them can't tree a coon if thier life depended on it. Stop having "Brood" bitches, who are only eating food at your house because they have a nice pedigree, pedigrees HAVE NEVER treed a coon. How about use this as a tool, when the dog has accomplished whatever it is that you have set out for it to do in the woods, then enter it in a night hunt. Be responsibale hound owners, don't breed your dog to anything that shows up with a stud fee. I know that is easier said that done for me, I have never had a stud dog that someone wanted to breed to, but, right is right. Coonhounds are not coondogs just because the papers say so. When your dog is ready for the nite hunts and eventually the stud pen, you will know it, no amount of titles will tell you different.

It is a great tool though, imagine looking at a set of papers, maybe those prefix titles won't mean so much if the suffix title isn't there. Bash away.

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I voted " no allow any dog to be registered or enter events ".

#1 - If your packin' a coondog , you don't have to worry about any " me too " dogs. 1st and 1st will win every time. Unless your dog makes alot of mistakes. And in that case , it's not ready for the hunts anyways.

#2 - If , as customers , people would demand that dogs tree their own coon , before they bought a pup , that would put an end to the " brood " females and " dud " studs.

I don't normally sit here and worry about what everyone else is feeding because they're the ones paying the feed bill.
BUT , if they want me to buy a pup from them , then I worry about it. And so should they. LOL

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It think this new hunt test degree will be very popular with the pleasure hunters and show folks that love those titles, but dont have the dogpower to cut the mustard in the hunts.

I also think the title will be totally meaningless and most will loose interest in it in a very short time....

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Personally I don't think one program ought to be interlocked with another program. Let them be separate. If I'm not mistaken, one main idea behind the hunt test was to allow those that don't attend nite hunts for whatever reason, an opportunity to prove their dogs in an impartial way.

I attend nite hunts but don't have any interest in a hunt test at this time. I think its a good idea, I just want to keep my emphasis on nite hunts. Don't make me go to the trouble and donate my time and money to do something that is meaningless.

I cannot imagine anyone doing any good in nite hunts with a dog that cannot tree its own coon, at all, but I'm sure its happened. By the same token, I've seen some pretty decent dogs that on any given turnout might not get a coon treed and some moron might use that one turnout to say the dog can't tree its own coon.

If you are thinking that a dog that passes the hunt test can consistently tree coons, you are fooling yourself. Some coons are very easy to tree. Put a dog on one of them and he passes the test when in fact he might not tree a coon for the next 10 times he's cut. So, he's proven nothing more than that he did a good job in a 1 hr. window of time, NOT that he's a good coondog or that he's ready for another step or for nite hunts or any such thing.

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Keep in mind that the dog has to do this three seperate times to get his HTX1 title. He has to do it 3 more times, if he wants the HTX 2 and so on for each additional title. I assure you and there are a few on here who have hunted with my dog, he can cut the mustard in the hunts, but, I will get him title for Hunt Testing Too. If I am gonna run him during the week anyways, why not work on another title?

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i hear you people complaining about dud studs !! why dont you just go & hunt with a dog you want to breed to if he does not suit you go & hunt with one till you find what you want !! if you dont find what you want then dont breed your dog !! hunt with his off spring if you dont like what you see dont breed to it !! i dont understand complaining about dud studs !! now with that said, before you put your club out of buissness !! win your 100 points for ntch. with a 1st, then pass hunt test before you get your degree. hell most dogs couldnt pass just because they wont hunt by there self, much less tree a coon & hold pressure by their self for 5 minites. give it a try then cry !!

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