Registered: Aug 2005
Location: Kentucky
Posts: 572
To much sight in training.... Hanging to many coons or to many cage coons!!
I try strictly scent training as much as possible. You have to show them some to reinforce the scent, but make them use their nose before their eyes!!!
Also focusing to much on tree and not enough track!!
Registered: Jul 2007
Location: Sandy Hook, Ky
Posts: 221
hunting
them with a trashey dog or a mean dog,the rest will come easy if they will make it,its got to be bread in them,,use live coon but turn it loose,cent drags get a lot of pups just running your track,,but if they are folling a real coon your tracks will not be there to run,,
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Registered: Aug 2003
Location: Indiana
Posts: 6168
I will agree with all of the above.....
And I'll add a few more. In today's day and age I think that training a young dog to tree before they learn to track is the biggest mistake that can be made.
In years past, we used to have to work hard at getting some dogs to tree, and harder to get them to stay treed.....not so much any more. A pup that can not or will not run a track is worthless, and that is why I believe that we have a slick treeing epidemic.....pups are taught that when all else fails....grab a tree a bark at it 140 times a minute.....someone will be along to scratch your ears and make excuses for you sooner or later.....
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quote:Originally posted by Oak Ridge I will agree with all of the above.....
And I'll add a few more. In today's day and age I think that training a young dog to tree before they learn to track is the biggest mistake that can be made.
In years past, we used to have to work hard at getting some dogs to tree, and harder to get them to stay treed.....not so much any more. A pup that can not or will not run a track is worthless, and that is why I believe that we have a slick treeing epidemic.....pups are taught that when all else fails....grab a tree a bark at it 140 times a minute.....someone will be along to scratch your ears and make excuses for you sooner or later.....
I AGREE. I HAVE ALWAYS SAID THE TRAINER WAS THE PROBLEM WITH THESE DOGS. SOME MANY PEOPLE ARE STILL STUCK IN THE 60'S 70'S AND 80'S TRAINING METHODS THAT THEY ARE RUINING PUPS. WE BRED THESE DOG TO HAVE MORE TREE PRESSURE, AND INSTEAD OF US ADJUSTING OUR TRAINING TO THE DOGS WE ARE TRAINING TO ADJUST THE DOGS TO OUR OLD TRAINING. i HAVE BEEN AROUND A LONG TIME, AND I PROMISE YOU I DONT WANT THOSE DOGS WE HAD WHEN I WAS YOUNG. I LISTEN TO PEOPLE BRAG ON THE FINLEY RIVER LINE(MOST HAVE NEVER HUNTED WITH AN ACTUAL FINLEY RIVER DOG), BUT LET ME TELL YOU, IF YOU LINE UP ONE OF THEM AGAINST A TOP HOUND OF TODAY, HE WILL BE SUCKING HIND TIT. THE ONLY PEOPLE WANTING TO BREED BACKWARDS FOR THAT STUFF EITHER HAVE NOT CLUE WHAT IT WAS LIKE OR THEY ARE LIKE THE MAN WHO LIVES ON THE BANKS OF THE W-A-S-H-I-T-A. TIME HAS PASSED THEM BY, AND IT IS THE ONLY WAY THEY CAN STILL GET ATTENTION. BY SCREAMING ABOUT HOW STUPID THE NEXT GENERATION IS.
Tree Jacking...
made the mistake myself with my first hound by getting him all excited and slapping the tree to get him up on it just turned him into a tree jacking fool and that causes problems at the tree from landing on other dogs and starting a fight to falling a a stick and running the stick into them etc... wont make that mistake again if they want to sit on their butt and tree a few feet off the tree that is alot better than a jacking tree dog
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Neve force a pup around a coon, dead or alive. I would rather make a drag for a short distance and let the pup locate the tree where it's hanging. Hunting a pup with an ill dog can ruin one. There is so many folks out their that goes through pup after pup and can't figure it out. If you can't catch your pup trainer getting after you pups but you never have a pup tree, change pup trainers.
Registered: Dec 2003
Location: North Carolina
Posts: 2962
i agree totally with the above.......sometimes we need to show patience with pups dont expect them to be great out of the gate it takes time and effort..
Registered: Dec 2003
Location: East Texas
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I think alot of Hounds get messed up, when people pet them up just because they are treed.
Ive seen Young Hounds tree on Bushes, and the handler pettin them up, for it.
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Registered: Jan 2007
Location: Franklin,N.C.
Posts: 209
training a pup
Whatever you do dont put a young pup in a treeing contest at your hunts.Had a 6 month old dog treeing coons and was showing him at a hunt when some friends said ,put him in the treeing contest.Well I did and he won with 63 barks a minute.Man I was proud so I just kept putting him in and he kept on winning but stopped hunting coons and just started LOOKING for them.Took me one year to get him back to hunting for coons.Dont put a young dog in treeing contest unless you want to screw it up on hunting coons.I am new at coonhunting and didn't know any better.
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