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(d) Failing to make any attempt to hunt within any 30 consecutive scorecard minutes.

How does everyone defind "attempt to hunt"?

Is leaving the cast for a minute to get a drink of water defined as attempting to hunt? If the hound is out of site is he hunting? If you have to walk the dog along while he is sniffing the ground beside you considered hunting? If a hound follows the cast for 29 minutes takes off out of site for a few seconds and returns?

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out of the light and it breaks it on most of the casts I've been on. I'm usually not to worried about scratching a dog that isn't hunting anyway.

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Same here. Anytime me or another has put the 30 on a dog, it's always taken off when dog is out of site. Even though he may come right back.

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My Dad was asking me about the rule the other night while a pup was standing around. We were confusing each other some about it I think so here was the question.
Say the dog hangs around for the first 10minute of the 1st drop.
Another 10 minutes on the 2nd drop.
3rd Cut the dog stays for another 10min.
The dog is Scratched right?

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The other registries require the dog to be gone for 2 minutes before the non-hunting time is broken. UKC doesn't specify what "gone" means. I guess it is up to the judge and then the majority of the cast. I have yet to see that rule ever scratch a dog in UKC.

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Camo, yes that dog is scratched. The key is the word "consecutive minutes".

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It is 5 minutes to be gone to break the time in the other kc's

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CONSECUTIVE is the key word,,,,,,,,,, the way Comopup descibes it,,, several minutes on each drop, ya cant add that up..... the 30 has to be from the time you start the 30,,,,,,ive scratched 2 before while acting as judge years ago,,,,,,, and had one scratched when i was just a memberof a cast....i know one cast,,,, 4 dog,,,,, 4 went hunting...... minutes later one came back,,,,,,,layed or stood around us.... when the dog on trail wood bark, he wood run out 25 yards mayne and stop and look that way.......turn and come back,,,,,,,never had his nose to the ground,, shione ya lite and he was just standing there,,,,,after 30 minutes we scratched him.... boy leashed him but questioned the call...... took it back......Master o f Hounds upheld the decison... just cause he got out from under out feet, we could still see him and he never had his nose to the ground,,,,,,,was not considered hunting....

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wish it was five here too,maybe thats a good rule suggestion for our breed associations.

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5 minutes is about all my blood pressure can take, after that I'm going to be scratched anyway. LOL

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I've never seen one scratched for not hunting. I've seen a bunch scratched for not being caught in the hour. Something's wrong there! IMO

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I had the non hunting dog rule started on a hound a few weeks back in a UKC hunt. A cast member informed me the hound had to be gone five minutes to break the 30 minutes non hunting rule. The hound took off for a couple minutes and returned. I restarted a new 30 and the guy got upset. I informed him there was nothing on the card about length of time being gone and a new 30 was started. Needless to say, the dog following us along didn't want to run the oppossum the others were after and slipped off and treed a raccoon.

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I once, was sitting on a Log, with an old friend,Jody Tarver who passed away at new years we were listening to My walker, and His Bluetick laboring over a Cold Bad Track in a Swamp.
As we were sitting there, he had a little grade Redbone, laying at our feet. I said to him, that one aint no good is it.
He said, You will see.

after a while, my Walker, and the Bluetick, came walking back in with their heads hung low.
The little Redbone, got up, stretched, trotted off into that swamp, opened a Couple of times, located, and broke over and started treeing.
We Shined the tree and there sat the Coon, which we Shot out.

It was not a Competition hunt, but had it been, the Coondog, would have got scratched.

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I don't care if it's five minutes or a few seconds. I prefer not seeing them until their setting under a coon. Had them both ways but like a hound to go find a coon and get it treed. Don't like those hounds that blow through a section or two not looking too hard for a coon.

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Being a Pleasure hunter, I like a Hound that hunts Close, and handles well.
I do not like a Hound, that cant be called in, and I really dont like going to alot of slick trees.

A Mean Hound, is no good, because no one would ever want hunt their hound with a mean dog, and one thats real trashy, and will put in with other trashy dogs is not good because you cant train anything with them.

I like to turn loose a Hound without having to worry about it leaving the area Im hunting, and getting into a Highway.

Everyone likes a diferent type of hound, I guess thats part of what makes it interesting.

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Consecutive is definitely the key word. 30 consecutive minutes of hunting time. Last month a cast ended up with one dog left. She wouldnt hunt by herself and judge put the time on her. she gets 15 minutes on her and handler wants to call time and move to another spot. Judge says ok. Right out of the box, the dog wont leave,and after 15 minutes she is scratched. Handler questions call but MOH agreed with judge. The card says 30 min. of consecutive hunting time and thats what it was. Bad luck maybe, but still the rules.

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i like a dog to hunt the woods i put it in and tree there or come back

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10 MIN would be plenty of time to know if ones gonna hunt or not.... What if I walk us through some very thick cover and the non hunting dog cant be seen????? This would break the time... Cause its so thick you cant see the dog...That aint my trick but I've seen it used lol...

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Camo, yes that dog is scratched. The key is the word "consecutive minutes".

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