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Are coon hunters under Pricing their dogs
I was on gundogsonline.com looking for a started pointer and I found they get on the average $500 for a pup.

Are coon dogs being sold too cheap?
Do they have competition like PKC?

I copied and pasted the last 2 weeks from Gundogs on Line

10/28/2006 Georgeous Roan & Liv/White Texas GSP Stock 650.00
10/28/2006 Field Bred English Cocker Spaniels Puppies, $600 - $700
10/27/2006 VISZLA MALE PUPS FOR SALE $500.00
10/27/2006 Bracco Italiano Puppies available soon 4 males available
10/27/2006 LAB AKC Black PUPS-Champ Bloodlines $500
10/25/2006 GSP 1yr Black and White AKC reg. Male 550.
10/24/2006 Irish Setter puppies (great hunting prospects) $400 males $550 females
10/23/2006 Elhew/Dunn's Fearless Bud Pups Email
10/23/2006 Outstanding GSP in Texas 600.00 MALES 650.00 FEMALES.
10/22/2006 German Shorthair Puppies for Sale in Kansas Males $300 each Females $350 each
10/22/2006 AKC GERMAN SHORTHAIR MALE PUPS 300
10/22/2006 Started B&W GSP Pups $800 - $1,000
10/21/2006 All Yellow Lab Puppies/ Outstanding Pedigree $750
10/21/2006 Quality started red Golden Retriever Male Pups From $800.00
10/20/2006 Superb GSP pups. Ready 12/7 - Great for Xmas!! Males $550 Females - $600
10/20/2006 Ch. line GSP puppies ready to go $500
10/20/2006 GSP/ NFC/FC lines ready to go $500
10/20/2006 Field Bred UK FTCH Cockers 750.00
10/19/2006 Very Nice Blacks/Chocolates Ready 11/6 $600.00
10/19/2006 CHESAPEAKE PUPS ~ HIGH QUALITY GUN DOGS Please Call or Email for Puppy Prices
10/19/2006 AKC YELLOW LABS BEAUTIFUL $550.00
10/19/2006 Gordon Setter Puppies $500/M $500/F
10/18/2006 AKC Field Breed English Springer Spaniel Pups $450.00
10/18/2006 German Shorthair Pointer Pups for Sale 600.00
10/18/2006 Outstanding GSP in Texas 600.00 MALES 650.00 FEMALES.
10/17/2006 7 week old IA GSP's $325/ possible trades
10/17/2006 FC sired GSP pups, Dam 2 X FC Dixieland's Rusty $850 F/ $750 M
10/17/2006 YELLOW HUNT TEST/GUNDOG PUPS $400
10/17/2006 AKC, Yellow Labs, JH sired, Dam from MH &SH, Wisconsin 450-900
10/17/2006 Golden Retriever Puppies AKC OFA CERF $500 males
10/16/2006 Outstanding pointers for sale $400 females, $350 males
10/16/2006 Miller / Elhew Pups - Ready 11/5 $400.00
10/15/2006 Irish "Red" Setters Only 2 left $500
10/15/2006 Dual Registered Llewellin English Setters $300-$400
10/14/2006 English Setter pups 475
10/14/2006 Fox Red Labs Pups, QAA x JH Parents in WI $600
10/14/2006 Brittany Puppies - READY to go! Call
10/13/2006 CHAMPION QUALITY POINTERS $500 to $1,000
10/13/2006 IA Chessie pups ready for X-mas $800.00 males $900.00 females

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By looking at prices of other breeds we'd say yes. But truthfully how many of us want to pay that much for a pup.

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What you are forgetting is the average percentage of those pups that "turn out". Other breeds of hunting dogs have a much higher average than coonhounds do because we ask our hounds to be able to do so much more than other breeds.

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You have to remember, most coon hunters are poor, back woods hicks, self included. From the people I know that have gun dogs, they usually have more money to send on a dog.

Hey Erick, ever been bird hunting with pointers or retievers? ours dogs bawl or chop none stop at the coon, when theirs stop, point out the game, and flush when told to do so. As soon as we shoot the coon out, ours dogs want to tear into it, thiers gently pick the bird up an bring it back to them.

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I think people that hunt bird dogs are more of a "high society" type group. Now I know there are always exceptions but as a norm. You get more lawyers, businessmen, etc. that hunt birds hence the higher prices. Yes there are people in this sport trying to do the same. Most are walker people. And the price on a well bred pup in that breed will reflect that. I know that if this sport turns in that direction as a whole I will have to find a different pasttime. I do believe that as a whole people dont want to pay much more for a finished dog than a pup. I have seen that in the last 10 yrs, especially in this area that the rise of out of town/state deer hunters are completely ridiculous. The better part of land owners are leasing ground out and it is getting harder and harder to get places to hunt ever yr for normal minimum wage type of citizens. So needless to say the money bags in the sport of hunting kind of gets on my nerves to say the least. I hope it doesnt happen here...

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I've noticed a lot more hunting lodge types instead of truck camper top people in TN too. There'll always be noname breed $50 pups you can make your own GRNITECH out of.

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Dont say ALWAYS.. One day them noname pups will cost ya 2-300 dollars... And I will bet it will be sooner than ya think.

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My parents bought my brother a German Shorthair Wirehaired Pointer cross that cost more than what some of the coonhounds cost. Shes a really smart dog, listens well and is a "game" dog.(Tree squirrels, tree a cage coon, chase foxes, bay skunks lol and point and retrieve birds)

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Say you're right if those PETA things have their way and this paws bill goes through. I could spill all day on that but won't change the thread on Iowa Coon.
I'll rephrase : There'll always be noname, unregistered, wal-mart sidewalk pups you can try to make your own GRNITECH! Any better. LOL!

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I know several serious bird dog hunters and trainers and not one of them has ever welped a litter of pups. That is the difference.

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I hunted in National Shoot to Retrieve for 12 yrs. Seen many pups sold for anywhere from 200 to 1000 ea. Just like coondogs some turn out and some don't. Selling pups is a chancy business. Whatever the market will bear is what you can get for them. True in birddogs there are many folks with alot of money that just own the dogs; they don't train em or compete with them in trials. Coonhunting seems to be going the same way, lot of people with more money to spend on the dogs, so they tend to wind up with the winners. Are the coondogs underpriced? Depends on how you look at it. If it's an average dog then average money is all it
is worth. If it's an exceptional dog then you can get an exceptional price for it. Bottom line is if the dog is WORTH

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I hunted in National Shoot to Retrieve for 12 yrs. Seen many pups sold for anywhere from 200 to 1000 ea. Just like coondogs some turn out and some don't. Selling pups is a chancy business. Whatever the market will bear is what you can get for them. True in birddogs there are many folks with alot of money that just own the dogs; they don't train em or compete with them in trials. Coonhunting seems to be going the same way, lot of people with more money to spend on the dogs, so they tend to wind up with the winners. Are the coondogs underpriced? Depends on how you look at it. If it's an average dog then average money is all it
is worth. If it's an exceptional dog then you can get an exceptional price for it. Bottom line is if the dog is WORTH it to you then pay it. As far as I'm concerned there are no pups of any breed worth 1000.00 to me.

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Maybe those "high society" types with high paying jobs are just a little smarter than us dumba$$ coonhunters who stump through the woods in the middle of night chasing some stupid dog just to look at the coon and say here it is, and go and do it all over again. Maybe they are on to something.lol Been many of nights I've wondered what the heck am I doing out here.

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You have to remember, most coon hunters are poor, back woods hicks, self included. From the people I know that have gun dogs, they usually have more money to send on a dog.

Hey Erick, ever been bird hunting with pointers or retievers? ours dogs bawl or chop none stop at the coon, when theirs stop, point out the game, and flush when told to do so. As soon as we shoot the coon out, ours dogs want to tear into it, thiers gently pick the bird up an bring it back to them.

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When it comes down to it, dogs or pups of any breed are really only worth what: (1) The owner will take for them. and (2) What somebody else will pay for them. I have ended up giving dogs away that I tried to sell for a couple hundred dollars, and they made fine hounds, just didn't suit me. One of the best dogs I've ever owned was a grade bluetick I gave $20 for. I didn't really want her when I got her, but my girlfriend liked her. I should've just traded the guy....( I ended up liking the dog better!!! LOL! LOL!)

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I don't claim to be an expert, but I think bird dogs are eaiser to train than coonhounds. With coonhounds there is more than can go wrong: Mouth; the opportunity to be agressive with other dogs; trashy; and the list goes on.

The point I am trying to make is that when you buy a coonhound pup you are taking a greater risk of the pup not turning out to please you. It is hard to pay really big bucks when there is so much that can go wrong.

I sell my pups for around two hundred dollars at weaning age. I worm my pups properly, give them necessary shots, feed good dog feed, and care for them until they are sold. By the time you register them you have so much invested that you can't make money at that, especially if there are stud fees involved, travelling expenses; ect.... If you own the stud you had to raise/buy him, care for him... and on it goes. If you raise coondogs just for the money, it might be a good idea to hold on to your day job. LOL!

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look around everybody has at least one litter or two of pups in there back yard.there is to much business out there to charge high prices for pups there should be some standards imo,but for gundogs owners most of them are family pets and they live in the city and do not wish to raise a litter of pups.so it would be easier just to go buy a good gun dog.

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I know several serious bird dog hunters and trainers and not one of them has ever welped a litter of pups. That is the difference.

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Lots of supply--everyone breeding a large litter just to keep one pup. Not much demand--fewer spots to hunt, fewer people hunting, gas prices high. Therefore, pups go for low price.

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well, there's several reasons..

a dog is worth whatever someone is willing to pay for it.

if ur gonna invest alot of money, u sure don't wanna invest in a puppy that's young and fragile and might not turn out.

and i'm selling a litter of pups now for $100 each...are they worth more? yes...could i get more? yes....why am i selling cheaper? because i'm like someone else said, a poor backwoods coonhunter...with a price like that just about anyone can afford to get a good bloodline dog. but "MY" reason for selling cheaper, is because i am poor, and anyone that raises hound pups know that when they pups are weened, the feed bill goes UP!!! price low, sell faster...i'd rather sell cheaper than to have pups stay here and possibly get malnurished because they are eating more than i can afford to buy...are they malnurished? no...but there's no way i could keep a full litter of hound pups to a year old..i got 4 dogs including the pup i'm keeping, and that's all i want or need...

so are pups being under priced? probably...but in the long run, which is worth more, the pup's health, or some green paper (money)??? if u pay alot for a young pup, and it dies or don't turn out, u've lost both...

honestly, underpriced? not really, people who love the sport is not in it for money anyway. their just trying to cover some expenses...and still pay out more than comes in...

it's all how ya look at it i guess...


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What you are forgetting is the average percentage of those pups that "turn out". Other breeds of hunting dogs have a much higher average than coonhounds do because we ask our hounds to be able to do so much more than other breeds.

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yah i agree that most of your bird dog hunters are generally a little more well off than most as far as the money goes which makes the prices higher on bird dogs. you dont generally see some ole poor boy like me and some of you bird hunting. and i agree that coonhounds are much harder to train like one of you said theres alot more that can go wrong. like false treeing,trash runnin,no mouth, fightin with other dogs, etc. so i think that there is alot more of a chance of comin out bad with a coonhound than there is with a bird dog or somethin.but you cant really even compare coonhounds and bird dogs together because they are total different breeds and are expected to do totally different things.but for coonhounds generally you will pay more for a well bred walker pup than other breeds because of the whole comp. hunting thing because thats what they are being bred for now days.

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I bred my gyp to my partners male. Both dogs have real nice pedigree's. We bred to keep 2 pups and figured we'd have 6-8 pups. We ended up with 13 pups. I sold a couple for $100.00 and ended up giving the rest away because I couldn't keep all those pups and no one else was calling. From here on out I'll buy a young started dog and just hunt the heck out of it. Saves alot of headaches and money IMO.

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My first job was working with pointers. I worked for a vet that was a breeder. When I left there he had 43 pointers on his place. Everyone pointed birds. Some were obviously better than others but not a single one was totally useless.

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