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I know several people that does nothing all day, coonhunt all night and draw a disability check from the government. Seems to me if u can walk all over these mountains around here u could work and hold a job! What do you all think?...Roger Hughes

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I know several people that does nothing all day, coonhunt all night and draw a disability check from the government. Seems to me if u can walk all over these mountains around here u could work and hold a job! What do you all think?...Roger Hughes

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... they are doing THAT much hunting you are correct! Some of us are genuinely disabled, perhaps working hard to be able to get back into hunting even if we can't get back to work. If someone cheats the system we all pay for it.
Incidentaly, I am NOT on disablity or SS and not eligble for either. I am fortunate to have the financial help of my family over the years.
ALSO.... if there are MENTAL disaabilities that allow you to coonhunt but not work tht is different story. You can be physically fit and totally mentally disabled!
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I agree completely. I know lots of people who draw and could work. It makes me sick!!! Lance is 37 years old. He hasn't been able to work for two years, and won't ever be able to work again. He finally has his hearing at the end of this month. He has five bulging and herniated disks in his back plus other health problems. He now walks with a cane. He has had three surgeries with little success, and two disks can't be fixed without putting him in a wheelchair. If we get to go hunting it's ME that brings the hounds out, does the lifting, etc. We usually only hunt our old dog and one puppy. Bud is a close/medium hunter and we hunt land that has easy walking. Our hounds are one of the things that get him out of the house for a few minutes. He plays with the pups and helps me feed. I have worked two jobs for these two years to try and keep up with everything. Amy

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MY father is disabled and he only exercie he can do is go hunting so yeah yall it is a shame for yall to think that disabled people can walk so they can work.

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Heck, I thought coonhunting was a disability. I've used it as an excuse many times.

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I know they are exceptions to everything. I know my dad hunted when he was older and disable, but I did all the walking unless it was real close and flat land. I am talking about the ones that are at a hunt every week leading a dog! Roger

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aren't immediately apparent. If you know of someone hunting and drawing disability, you may need to get to know them better before leaping to conclusions. And if you haver a job to offer them, offer it! You probably don't really know where their money is coming from. May be they came by it honestly.
I do know several people who hunt despite pretty obvious disabilities, and I think its a good thing if we can accommodate them. If somebody needs a 4-wheeler or mule to get around in the woods, but can still do everything else, the more power to them for finding a way to keep up. One of the founding members of our club was blind, but his dogs weren't.
Of course, we all have seen a few deadbeats getting more than they deserve and its only human to resent it, but some of us would rather that everyone has what they need and a few people too much, than that everyone has exactly what they deserve--that would be a pretty harsh world.
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Theres a difference between disability and lazy. Lazy is one that wont work, sits on a dead butt all day. The coonhunters I know and hunt with are NOT lazy. Coonhunting itself is not a lazy mans sport. Its very demanding of me to work all day, hunt most nights, short nights in the summer months. I seriously doubt a sincere disabled person will be hunting evey night, as they are not fit for the demands that the hounds and walking will put on the body. NOW if someone draws a check every month and hunts hard every night there is a definate problem and he is poor lol
I was diagnosed with cancer in 1998. I went through chemo, radiation for the one year period. I was then rediagnosed and we went through another year of figuring out if the cancer was back with biopsies and surgeries which knocked me out of work for more than I hoped. I hunted at least 3 nights a week during all my problems. It took me almost 4 years to get my head back on my shoulders with work. I never once drew a check. I did however let the American Society and Lukemia So. help with finances on traveling back and forth to the hospitol. BUT I hunted when I couldnt or wouldnt work. I was mentally, phisycally sick for almost four years but I still hunted. That was the only area that wasnt grey(coonhunting). I recieved exersize through hunting and it gave me an ease of pain and mind. Now I work 40+ hrs a week regaining the moneys I lost and I hunt 3-5 nights a week. I never once had government finance assistance. Pat me on the back and I hope I can help others.

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This is a very sore subject with me. It is an epidemic around here. I know disability is needed and am happy for the truly disabeled people who live because of it. BUTT I know many many people who are drawing disability that can walk all day hunting ginseng or mushrooms. Can drag the biggest buck out of the deepest valleys and cut firewood all winter for extra spending money. I guess my defination of "disabeled" is a lot different than some.

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You're not wrong...there are many people who cheat the system. Many people who could work and don't. Many who are lazy. There are also people who look "normal" seem "normal" and can pull themsleves together for a weekend with rests.... to do a beloved thing...but what yu describe is CHEATERS.
Disability and social security and welfare should be for people in Genuine need. HOWEVER, there will ALWAYS be cheating... It is sadly a part of human nature.
Enjoy Every time you can get out there in the woods, or be on the computer bickering or enjoying the pix or your kids or whatever gives you pleasure here in this life,
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Totally agree Heather. I don't know if it is just something that really gets to me so I watch for it or if this area is really bad. It seems people watch someone get disability for little to nothing wrong with them then they start saying heck if he got it I can too. I know in mushroom season I have to get in my own woods at daylight to compete with the competition who I hear have been bragging how well they did there. This competition lives on disability and the ginseng and yellow root has about all been gobeled up by them too-just gets to me.

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Then you have people like Lance who has worked ever since he was a boy and now can't. Then when he tries to get on they keep putting him off. It makes me angry seeing some of the ones drawing that can lift anything or do whatever they want and he cant. Amy

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Theres a difference between disability and lazy. Lazy is one that wont work, sits on a dead butt all day. The coonhunters I know and hunt with are NOT lazy. Coonhunting itself is not a lazy mans sport. Its very demanding of me to work all day, hunt most nights, short nights in the summer months. I seriously doubt a sincere disabled person will be hunting evey night, as they are not fit for the demands that the hounds and walking will put on the body. NOW if someone draws a check every month and hunts hard every night there is a definate problem and he is poor lol
I was diagnosed with cancer in 1998. I went through chemo, radiation for the one year period. I was then rediagnosed and we went through another year of figuring out if the cancer was back with biopsies and surgeries which knocked me out of work for more than I hoped. I hunted at least 3 nights a week during all my problems. It took me almost 4 years to get my head back on my shoulders with work. I never once drew a check. I did however let the American Society and Lukemia So. help with finances on traveling back and forth to the hospitol. BUT I hunted when I couldnt or wouldnt work. I was mentally, phisycally sick for almost four years but I still hunted. That was the only area that wasnt grey(coonhunting). I recieved exersize through hunting and it gave me an ease of pain and mind. Now I work 40+ hrs a week regaining the moneys I lost and I hunt 3-5 nights a week. I never once had government finance assistance. Pat me on the back and I hope I can help others.

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Hey Roger Hughes were are you from? The terrain that you described sounds like the area I live in. There are several people that are disabled and still try to hunt as much as they are able, which isn't usually as much as they were once able to, but by going out and hunting for a few hours here and there that gets their mind off of their disability for a while. Being disabled has to be a stressful and depressing ordeal. I am glad to see disabled people enjoy what they can. NOW that being said there is this certain element of people out there that feels those of us that do work owe them a living also. They won't strike a lick at a snake and just sit back and wait for that check. They hunt for eveything. they are the first ones in the woods so those of us that work have to compete with them to get a spot to go on the weekends our only days free to hunt then they have those spots all week long to their self while we work for what we have. I strongly dislike those that take advantage of good things and give disabled people a bad rap. I watch all those people ride their four-wheelers every evening because they are well rested from being on the couch all day watching T.V. while those of us that have enough backbone to go out and work are too tired to wiggle.

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i hope an pray for you all that have posted on this thread an pray you never have a problem with your health. lee stocking you have my utmost repect for going threw what you did an came out in fine shape . mike loyd

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i am truely disabled(left hip amputee). I have a friend(used loosely) that has just gotten on disability. His reason is depression and bi-polar. For the short time I have been hunting with him, I have to say the only disability he has is the different anti-deppressants he takes. At one time he was on enough valium 2ce a day to put a mule down and wondered why he couldnt do anything. There is a clinic here that pushes more drugs than a dope dealer. There are too many out there on disability that dont deserve to be. I guess its ok if you dont have any real medical problems cause the insurance deductibles are high and dont cover necessities on Medicare(federal).

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I guess I feel the need to voice an opinion in this matter since I am currently on workmans comp for a life changing injury I suffered in Jan of this year. I have been dealin with what is called post concusive syndrom every day since. It is no different today than the first week I did it. I have some major vertigo issues & nauseas feelin 75 % of the time,some memory trouble as well. My brain feels like it is sloppin around in my head like the last beer in a cooler full of water.Ridin gets me extremely sick most of the time.

Life has changed for me dramatically. I love my job & climbed the ladder extremely fast.Was one of 3 tech support specialist within our company. I worked between 65 & 80 hrs a week & some times drove as much as 600 miles in a day.Was gone from home 5 & 6 days a week.Was responsible for landing some giant contracts because of my don't quit attitude & communication skills. Do they want me back? "YEP" sure do! Do I want to go back ? Darn tootin I do !! Will I ? Not lookin to good in that department.They tell me I am at the end of the road as far as treatment option's & time is all that is left as a hopeful attribution to the cause.We'll see I guess.

Now back to your question,"YEP" I beleive there are way to many worthless people collectin a check that could be workin like I wish I could.It is truly sad what "some" can get away with & the ones that deserve it always seem to go through all the hassels & denial's.

Do I get a check? "YEP" sure do !! Am I justly deservin of it ?"**** STRAGHT I AM " !! Do I pound the timber? "NOPE" sure don't-can't ! Am I gonna coon hunt ? One way or another I will be involved even if I can't climb the hills I love!! My time is gonna be devoted to startin pups & watchin paint dry till things change drastically for me!

Last year I bowhunted the entire month of Nov.This year I can't even set in a stand so far anyway without gettin very ill.

So to the people that are justly deserving of any disability income,I feel your pain!! Settin at home all the time isn't all that,but I do enjoy the comaraderie & the people I have met in the last few months & the old freinds I have been back in touch with by way of this forum !!

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I was bald at age 30, but I had half a life to live and no way was I going to let cancer beat me. You would not believe what one can put up with when they have a life struggle ahead of them. I'll pray for your mama like I will for two toes....good luck to every one on this post and I will pray for each of you.
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how do i get a check or ss?

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I live around the Talladega area about 3 miles from the Talladega race track. I agree with what u say. I dont have a problem with anyone that is really disable. It is the ones that are in the woods every night at dark and hunt all night. You hear them complain every time u see them about every ailment u can think of. I tried a dog out from a guy in Mississippi for 3,000 bucks on 2 week trial. I took the dog back and he gave me a sad story about having to have the money for medicene because he was on disability. He had spent about 1,000 bucks of my money. I gave him the dog back so he could sale to get my money. That was 2 years ago. I have only called him about it twice and he cussed me out and said i should be ashamed to harrass him. I dont think 2 phone calls in 2 years is harrassment. He gets on this board occassionaly, hunts 7 nights a week, and now i am the bad guy!!!!Go figure!!!

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Unless you really know and around someone i dont think anyone can judge if a person is disabled or not. Just becuase someone can hunt some does that mean they are employable? I just went through my ss hearing and im waiting for a determination. The voc rehab guy from the state testified if on any 8 hr a day job if you needed more then the 2 required 15 minute breaks and 30 minute lunch break a day or had to miss more the 2 extra days a month you were unemployable. Job experience and education all pertain to weather a person is employable. Im sure there are some people that are scamming the system but why would anyone want to accept a disabilty check for really what amounts to one weeks pay a month just so they dont have to work. Disabilty is a poor poor way to live. I have a hard time believing 1 in 100 on it are scamming the system. 5 back surgerys latter with at least 2 more to go Im unemployable even if i wanted to work. Will i hunt ? Every chance i can might be with a babysitter to go get my dogs or handle em but id sure try.jmo dgarrett

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Theres a difference between disability and lazy. Lazy is one that wont work, sits on a dead butt all day. The coonhunters I know and hunt with are NOT lazy. Coonhunting itself is not a lazy mans sport. Its very demanding of me to work all day, hunt most nights, short nights in the summer months. I seriously doubt a sincere disabled person will be hunting evey night, as they are not fit for the demands that the hounds and walking will put on the body. NOW if someone draws a check every month and hunts hard every night there is a definate problem and he is poor lol
I was diagnosed with cancer in 1998. I went through chemo, radiation for the one year period. I was then rediagnosed and we went through another year of figuring out if the cancer was back with biopsies and surgeries which knocked me out of work for more than I hoped. I hunted at least 3 nights a week during all my problems. It took me almost 4 years to get my head back on my shoulders with work. I never once drew a check. I did however let the American Society and Lukemia So. help with finances on traveling back and forth to the hospitol. BUT I hunted when I couldnt or wouldnt work. I was mentally, phisycally sick for almost four years but I still hunted. That was the only area that wasnt grey(coonhunting). I recieved exersize through hunting and it gave me an ease of pain and mind. Now I work 40+ hrs a week regaining the moneys I lost and I hunt 3-5 nights a week. I never once had government finance assistance. Pat me on the back and I hope I can help others.

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I know several people that does nothing all day, coonhunt all night and draw a disability check from the government. Seems to me if u can walk all over these mountains around here u could work and hold a job! What do you all think?...Roger Hughes

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Generally speaking, MAYBE, but there are ALWAYS exceptions to any rule. Lee Stocking, who has already posted on this thread is one of em, but he never drew a check.
With that said, I also know another man that is beyond question, deserving of EVERYTHING the government can be cohearsed into PAYING HIM. Notice I DID NOT say GIVING him. This man gave his health just so people like us are free to get on websites like this and voice our opinion, right or wrong, good or bad, and not have to fear being locked away or worse for saying so. He served our country and as a result of doing so, is permanently disabled. He's had more hip replacements than I can count, every vertabrae in his neck is totally fused, and his doctors keep telling him he needs to take MORE pain medication, when if they only knew the truth, he doesnt take ANY because it dulls his awareness to the things he loves. What is it you might ask that he loves so much that he would endure all this? COONHUNTING! He has traveled more miles with me chasing these old hounds than anyone else, both on the road and through the woods. His body is in such shape that when he gets to the tree, he has to lay down on the ground to shine it because his vertabrae are fused due to his illness. Yet he never complains, or asks for help. Many of yall that have hunted anywhere around the mid TN area will know him, his name is Allen Fredrick. If any of yall that know him have a problem with him "drawing a governemnt check" walk up to him and tell him. You wont have to worry about Allen saying anything to you or hitting you with that cane he has to have in order to walk, I will do it for him.

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Made me think of horse shows before I had my car accident. I laready had a back porblem (Broke my back getting bucked off a ROTTEN Pony named appropriately Bucky when I was 15).... ANyway I quit college to pursue my horse career... I was at a horse show and My horse went a bit nuts. Wrenched my back but I kept riding. I made the mistake of getting off to stretch and... ended up having to lie flat on the ground in front of People I Knew in Show Clothes.... I was horrified! Until that day.... no one knew but my family and close friends that I had a Back Problem. I worked for a Year and a half after my accident...I tried to keep going to teh point of ridiculousness...after seeing the neurologist I was told it was a safetty issue not to me but my students due to communication problems under stress. My brain kinda shuts off in a stress moment and words don't come out right! SO, for the sake of my Beloved students I quit riding insturction. I kept on cleaning houses despite the pain and would liee down lots and rest (NOT doing HOURLY work but by the job) I had some clients who loved me so much they worked WITH me. I was SO fortunate....Then the orthopedic Dr finaaly let me know the damage was getting worse , especialy to my neck... so I JUST helped with teh horses here till they made me stop that.... Now I HELP with the chickens... Hmmmmm what fun!LOL... They are Smelly gross things! I miss the odor of hay and shavings and warm horses..... Nope I'm not on disability or SS, not even able to get those (self employed but hadn't made enough to pay into the system). My family took responsibility for me, because they Could... Not every one is as fortunate as me. I would have HAD to work otherwise and then would have been hurt, killed, hurt someone else or worse....
BUT.... You know what??? I adopted a rescued coonhound in 2003 or so, I got into rescue, I found my Bluetick, I ffostered some dogs, I came on this forum, I thought about how much I LOVED coonhunting in the seventies... I made a few VERY special friends! The number of people who have offered me Help, Training Pups, older dogs etc... has been OVERWHELMING! I NEVER thought Bob and I could get back into this before we were old and grey and he was retired! However a pup deal was offered to me and because my friend and pup partner Russ Downing was willin g to Help me... DESPITE HIS OWN DISABILITIES.... I now half own a Bluetick pup. Because of tht I was encouraged to see a New Dr and will be taking care of my spine! It wont fix my brain, it wont take the arthritis and damaged joints away...But Darn it... I am GOING to Follow my pup and my partner... and whoever has to help us thru the woods! I hope I can look up at that coon but if I cannot I'w ill gladly lie down to shine my light!
SOmetimes stuff like this, coonhunting or Whatever passion one has... is the Extra thing that Just may keep you alive when the going gets tough!
AND, Yup my grammar, my spelling my typing my language.... may seem pretty gawdawful.... I often laugh at people Putting Others down for their spelling a nd Grammar! WHO CARES?!!!! I was PERFECT, literally in spelling...and grammar... I EXSEMPTED ENGLISH in college and I was an ELNGISH MAJOR... as an 18 and 19 yr old sophomore I was in Graduate level English at BU... My IQ as a cchild was 137 or 139 I forget... After the accident it is 127 or 129... Hmmm.... still pretty hugh but I can't speel or type well or speak well.... WHO THE HECK CARES? I dont' care if you have a second grade education or a Grad degree if you're a Doctor a Maid a lawyer... this board is for Coonhunters and COONHOUND people... does it Matter if or why you can or cannot spell????
LOL, The petty arguements... think of the energy you all could put into bettering the sport! Keeping the antis from taking the privelege away from us!
Enjoy your beloved activities... you dont know what day they may be taken away from you for one reason or another... Enjoy your fellow man..... Take a Look in the Mirror and be sure you can enjoy THAT man...or woman.
Happpy Hunting Eveyone, Sorry for that rambling but..... Life is just too important to waste!
Heather WIlliam

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