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Am I the only on who likes the old style of hound ?

When you first turn him loose he might water a bush before going the direction you send him.Once he takes off he is a good strike dog that just seems to know where to look for a track even if he hasn't hunted there before. In the event another dog gets the strike on him he will put in with the pack and in most cases will soon be leading the pack.He opens according to the track giving more mouth as the track improves. Once he is struck he will nearly always finish the track no matter what the conditions or how long it takes. He is extremely accurate and will locate a time or two and then often be silent for a short time before falling treed. If he trees first he has no problem with other dogs treeing with him and if another dog trees ahead of him he will still check the tree out before treeing with them. ----This is just a description of what us old hide hunters want a dog to be like and sadly it seems to me like younger comp hunters would just hate a dog like this. The trend now is for a semi silent dead loner which will never be my type dog.

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A houndsmans drive is not the thrill of the kill it's the sound of the hound !!!

That is my style of hound! Around here in the MO Ozarks you better have a hound that knows it's there before they set down and tree. This time of year it just keeps getting tougher and an old cold nosed slow hound will look good when you're counting hides at the end of the season. Unfortunately hides are nearly worthless so that isn't as important to most now. But fortunately the coon population is holding strong and does help for the comp hunting. I too like a hound that will tree with another dog even if it isn't first but it's always honest. I don't comp hunt much really but what I have done, it seems to me the hound with no mistakes would still win often.

That's what I call a pleasure dog. Pleasure to hunt every night.

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Exactly what I hunt now. This is my 54th kill season. And have always stated, if you owned the 'present day competition dog 45 years ago, you'd take the collar off and send it on. Let it be someone else's problem.
Thank goodness for Garmins, huh?

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Re: Am I the only on who likes the old style of hound ?

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Originally posted by stonehill
When you first turn him loose he might water a bush before going the direction you send him.Once he takes off he is a good strike dog that just seems to know where to look for a track even if he hasn't hunted there before. In the event another dog gets the strike on him he will put in with the pack and in most cases will soon be leading the pack.He opens according to the track giving more mouth as the track improves. Once he is struck he will nearly always finish the track no matter what the conditions or how long it takes. He is extremely accurate and will locate a time or two and then often be silent for a short time before falling treed. If he trees first he has no problem with other dogs treeing with him and if another dog trees ahead of him he will still check the tree out before treeing with them. ----This is just a description of what us old hide hunters want a dog to be like and sadly it seems to me like younger comp hunters would just hate a dog like this. The trend now is for a semi silent dead loner which will never be my type dog.

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Pleasure dog

Now that is my type of dog!!! Around here no need for a dog to blow thru the country to tree coons. I have hunted leopard curs/hounds for near 40 years. Very fortunate to owned many that fit the above bill. One thing that I read that gets me…. You read folks saying dog is 60-70% accurate and that seems to be a pretty high acceptable bench mark for competition style dogs. If over the years I walked to 10 trees to see 6 trees with coons I would not be satisfied with that dog. A couple of the best stretcher filling dogs I was fortunate to follow, located, tapped tree, shut up checked tree, located again and sat down with the fur!! Would not score you a lot of points but man I sure enjoyed hunting them…. Thanks Perry

I just bred my female that fits that description to a buddy of mine's male dog that fits that description. Female has been in a handful of hunts, male dog hasn't been in one to my knowledge since he moved to my buddy's house. We're just coon hunters and want to get something off our dogs before they're dead and gone. She is 10 and he is 8. They're not perfect, but they're coon dogs in my opinion. So to answer your question, yes they're preferred dogs to some. And I'm a young gun (34). If the pups are like their parents, they'll be what I'd call old school. That's what I'm hoping for, anyway.

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You mean to tell me you don't want a dog that will hop out of the box barking? Keep barking until he gets 2 miles away from other dogs and fall treed in a questionable tree that the eyes aren't seen in? Lol I agree with you. That's my kind of dog too.

I feel like it will come full circle, hunting ground is shrinking every day and this type of dog will gain in popularity. I am from WV and if a dog won’t work with another dog, it will make for some pretty bad nights.

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I might need to clarify, I don't want a dog standing around but I do like a dog that will come back and check in if he can't find anything. Makes it a whole lot easier to pick up and move spots.

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I'm sure enjoying the responses I'm getting to my post. It looks like there are several of us who prefer the calm easy going pleasure dog over the modern wound-up ,nearly silent , dead loners that seems to be what most people want anymore. Please keep the replys coming !!!!!!!

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Dennis Bockelman
California,MO

A houndsmans drive is not the thrill of the kill it's the sound of the hound !!!

I hunted the go till they treed type hounds for many years.Walkers and english.Hunting grounds got smaller and i got older and i changed to hunting mt currs for 20 years.And ive had some good curr coondogs.They spoiled me to hunting a dog that handled.I got lucky and met a man with a good stock of bluetick hounds That have brains and thats what im coonhunting now.I really enjoy them.They handle good and tree a coon in style.Also my best squirrel dog is one of my blue hounds.One of the best sq dogs ive ever seen.

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Originally posted by Georgeb
I hunted the go till they treed type hounds for many years.Walkers and english.Hunting grounds got smaller and i got older and i changed to hunting mt currs for 20 years.And ive had some good curr coondogs.They spoiled me to hunting a dog that handled.I got lucky and met a man with a good stock of bluetick hounds That have brains and thats what im coonhunting now.I really enjoy them.They handle good and tree a coon in style.Also my best squirrel dog is one of my blue hounds.One of the best sq dogs ive ever seen.

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The real problem could be ??

The "Gray" in the hunts today.

Gray being the matter between both sets of ears, the hounds and the handlers.

I like a hound that has the brains (gray matter) to know were to look for a track and the nose to work it to the right tree. When I open the door on the box, there should be a track with in a couple hundred yards and if not, he comes back and we go to another. No prettier music that a bawl mouth hound working a track up and if it takes 15 or 45 minutes to get to the right tree, I got more time then money.

I don't care to hunt with a group that isn't out there for the hound work but are (some paid) only out there to win at any cost and will use the "gray" area of the rules to do it.

Heard to many say, "I'll do what ever it takes until I get caught." Not my idea of a fun time.

So, no you are not the only one that likes a true hound.
OT

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Re: The real problem could be ??

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Originally posted by OLD TIMER
The "Gray" in the hunts today.

Gray being the matter between both sets of ears, the hounds and the handlers.

I like a hound that has the brains (gray matter) to know were to look for a track and the nose to work it to the right tree. When I open the door on the box, there should be a track with in a couple hundred yards and if not, he comes back and we go to another. No prettier music that a bawl mouth hound working a track up and if it takes 15 or 45 minutes to get to the right tree, I got more time then money.

I don't care to hunt with a group that isn't out there for the hound work but are (some paid) only out there to win at any cost and will use the "gray" area of the rules to do it.

Heard to many say, "I'll do what ever it takes until I get caught." Not my idea of a fun time.

So, no you are not the only one that likes a true hound.
OT

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I like that type of hound too as long as he's a fast track dog and can make them climb.iam up in far northwest illinois with alot of hilly/bluff country.ive got 2 young dogs that came from jim powers out of Virginia. He breeds for cold nosed track driving accurate tree dogs.time will tell but there looking pretty good so far.

I like that type of hound too as long as he's a fast track dog and can make them climb.iam up in far northwest illinois with alot of hilly/bluff country.ive got 2 young dogs that came from jim powers out of Virginia. He breeds for cold nosed track driving accurate tree dogs.time will tell but there looking pretty good so far.

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Originally posted by Leatherwood
You mean to tell me you don't want a dog that will hop out of the box barking? Keep barking until he gets 2 miles away from other dogs and fall treed in a questionable tree that the eyes aren't seen in? Lol I agree with you. That's my kind of dog too.

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7 mile, I'm confused?? (doesn't take a lot)

You say you want a "don't come back get treed" type but don't like walking 1.2 miles. So how far will you end up walking "if" game isn't moving??
And please explain a "back packer". I know what a me too dog is, heck I worked with that type of person. To me that's a free loader--one who doesn't help with the work but wants the glory. But if you are calling a hound that helps work the track to the tree but wasn't the first to find the track, a back packer, then you like a different style hound than myself.
When I turn my hounds loose, be it for coon or coyote, I don't care who strikes it first but they best all get their butts over there and do their fair share in treeing or catching the game.

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Re: 7 mile, I'm confused?? (doesn't take a lot)

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Originally posted by OLD TIMER
You say you want a "don't come back get treed" type but don't like walking 1.2 miles. So how far will you end up walking "if" game isn't moving??
And please explain a "back packer". I know what a me too dog is, heck I worked with that type of person. To me that's a free loader--one who doesn't help with the work but wants the glory. But if you are calling a hound that helps work the track to the tree but wasn't the first to find the track, a back packer, then you like a different style hound than myself.
When I turn my hounds loose, be it for coon or coyote, I don't care who strikes it first but they best all get their butts over there and do their fair share in treeing or catching the game.

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Dan and Kris Rosier
Canton, ohio
330-904-3392


Home of: Ch. PR. Lethal Blue Lil Bit of Respect.... Ch. Nite Ch PR Shivers' Magic Lead X GR. Ch. Nite Ch PR Lethal Blue Betty Jane
PR. Lethal Blue Tayen Grace..... Nite Ch. Pr Coffins creek running J.R. X Gr Ch Nite Ch PR Lethal Blue Moonlite Serenade.



Gone but never forgotten
Gr Ch. Nite Ch. PR. Lethal Blue Moonlight Serenade... Gr. Ch. Nite Ch PR Hillbillys Smokey River Dutch HTX X Gr. Ch. Nite CH. PR Lethal Blue Izabell Sitara

Gr. Ch. Nite Ch. PR. Lethal Blue Izabell Sitara... Dual Gr. Ch PR Bowens Blue Deuce X Ch. Nite Ch. PR Becky.

Gr Ch Nite Ch. PR. Lethal Blue Betty Jane...... PR. Crites Soggy Bottom Blue Banjo X PR. Mosquito Creek Tree mamma Sis

Gr Ch. Nite Ch. PR. Lethal Blue Rattlin Samantha ... Dual Gr Ch PR Mid Ohio Rattlin Sam X Gr Ch PR. Lethal Blue Jet's Xena

Gr. Ch. Nite Ch Hillbilly's Smokey River Blue Dutch HTX..... Gr. Ch. Gr. Nite Ch Pr. Smokey River Tramp's Blue Lake and Pr. Misty River Blue Doll III.
(Dutch wasn't ours, but he was here and like one of the family)

Pr. Dan's little Porter.... my last beagle...

A couple years ago I was training a young hound that was only 10-11 months old and also tuning up a couple of older hounds as well. The older hounds would usually strike first and typically out run the young dog on the track. The older dogs would then tree and the young dog would just continue trailing his way in and sometimes keep going. I thought he was trashing or "me too". As season went on I began to walk in to slick trees with the 2 old dogs holding tight and the young hound not around. Finally 1 night the young dog fell treed alone with the coon and the old dogs were slick again. After that I began to notice 1 of the older dogs would be treed until the young hound trailed in to their tree. As the young dog took the track on the older hound would get down pick it up and the 2 of them would go on to finish it. And typically the old dog could take it away from the younger. That young dog was my type of "independent hound"!

Re: 7 mile, I'm confused?? (doesn't take a lot)

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Originally posted by OLD TIMER
You say you want a "don't come back get treed" type but don't like walking 1.2 miles. So how far will you end up walking "if" game isn't moving??
And please explain a "back packer". I know what a me too dog is, heck I worked with that type of person. To me that's a free loader--one who doesn't help with the work but wants the glory. But if you are calling a hound that helps work the track to the tree but wasn't the first to find the track, a back packer, then you like a different style hound than myself.
When I turn my hounds loose, be it for coon or coyote, I don't care who strikes it first but they best all get their butts over there and do their fair share in treeing or catching the game.

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7 Mile

Thanks for the response

I see that you are a comp hunter and the style you like makes sense now.

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I like to hear a hound strick a cold track, and work it out until it's treed, now most people don't know what a cold trailing coon dog is. I had one, that ran a cold track as fast as he ran a hot track, it just took him a little longer, as the coon had more time to travel, he would trail up coons, that other dogs would not open on, and show you coons in the tree, that other dogs would not tree, with him. In other words, it did not take him long, to get treed, with the meat.

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