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Posted by Preacher Tom on 02-15-2021 12:57 AM:

Early weaned pups

Have you had any experience weaning pups at 4-5 weeks old. If so how did it work out?

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Posted by Dogwhisper on 02-15-2021 12:59 AM:

5 weeks .....is my norm, no issues here.


Posted by Wess Gay on 02-15-2021 01:15 AM:

I have with no issues.

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Posted by Grass run engli on 02-15-2021 01:51 PM:

Iv seen pups weaned at 3 weeks.( Not by choice) and all pups survive. Obviously I wouldn't recommend this.


Posted by Preacher Tom on 02-15-2021 05:18 PM:

Thanks for the reply. Just never weaned any that early. Planning to buy a pup that they are going to wean at 5 weeks and was a little concerned. When would you give the first shot? Always gave it at 6 weeks but will it make any difference if the pup is already weaned?

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Posted by Doug C on 02-15-2021 06:42 PM:

Need to have first shot before leaving there mom, I ween my pups at 5 weeks old but have them eating good puppy food by then and first shot


Posted by Corey Gruver on 02-15-2021 09:54 PM:

I just purchased two pups that were weaned at 5 weeks old (I was not told that they had been, only found out upon arrival for pick up) and they both developed severe cases of rickets. Both pups had to be heavily supplemented and "vetted" to bring them back. I'm very fortunate they didn't sustain any kind of injury while they were recovering.

8 weeks is really the magic number, so long as your female can support it and it isn't a medical emergency.

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Posted by benderb4 on 02-15-2021 10:34 PM:

I don't believe it is good in those early weaned pups
Weaned and litter separated

Most of those early weaned are the owner is anxious to get their mitts on those bills and relieved of the headache of feeding and cleaning noisy pups gone

One huge reason.
Pups that stay with mom and littermates will be better socialized adjusted when going to their new homes

They learn their teeth are sharp and won't gnaw on you.
They learn manners from mom if they get out of line because she will cuff them when they need it.

And you as the breeder if you are doing your job will correct any possessive nasty food bowl hogs that will help later in life to learn they have to share their space

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Posted by Reuben on 02-15-2021 10:56 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by benderb4
I don't believe it is good in those early weaned pups
Weaned and litter separated

Most of those early weaned are the owner is anxious to get their mitts on those bills and relieved of the headache of feeding and cleaning noisy pups gone

One huge reason.
Pups that stay with mom and littermates will be better socialized adjusted when going to their new homes

They learn their teeth are sharp and won't gnaw on you.
They learn manners from mom if they get out of line because she will cuff them when they need it.

And you as the breeder if you are doing your job will correct any possessive nasty food bowl hogs that will help later in life to learn they have to share their space



I agree...
While a five week old pup can be raised up is easy enough the studies say they need to be with siblings and dam until 8 weeks as a minimum to get better results...

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Posted by Redneck Mafia on 02-16-2021 01:26 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Reuben
I agree...
While a five week old pup can be raised up is easy enough the studies say they need to be with siblings and dam until 8 weeks as a minimum to get better results...


X3. I've had to hand raise pups but the optimal results for healthy thriving pups physically and mentally comes from momma. Owners most of the time it is from selfish reasons for weaning and selling early. Dams will self wean over time and should be given a way to get away from pups. Most think because she's not laying with them 24 7 and trying to escape pups she's done when in reality this is all part of t bye natural process. Her milk changes over time as does her production.
Ask the owner why they are weaning early and selling instead of waiting the 3 weeks. Also, do not take pup on the day it receives it's first shot, wait a couple of days and give it yourself. The stress on young pups can be a lot.

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Posted by MUSKY on 02-16-2021 08:20 PM:

It is illegal in most states to sell a pup before it is 8 weeks old. Most of they gyps I have had typically cut’m off around 5 weeks or so, but they should stay together a couple more weeks if possible.

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Posted by shadinc on 02-17-2021 02:23 AM:

I read in a few different places that 49 days is the best time to separate them. But I have one here that never saw her mom and she's very good. There were 11 in this litter, all bottle raised, and I know of a few others that are above average.

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Posted by Treedog71 on 02-19-2021 12:49 AM:

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Originally posted by shadinc
I read in a few different places that 49 days is the best time to separate them. But I have one here that never saw her mom and she's very good. There were 11 in this litter, all bottle raised, and I know of a few others that are above average.
x 36 the 49th day is the day, this program was developed by Dr.paul j scott,social psychologist,roades scholar,and director of the animal behavior laboratory at Hamilton station,mount desert island maine,it's the best program I've found been running it for 34 years on bird dogs and hounds it's remarkable.the program I recommend is in Richard A.wolters water dog this book is worth it's weight in gold.imo


Posted by shadinc on 02-19-2021 01:46 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Treedog71
x 36 the 49th day is the day, this program was developed by Dr.paul j scott,social psychologist,roades scholar,and director of the animal behavior laboratory at Hamilton station,mount desert island maine,it's the best program I've found been running it for 34 years on bird dogs and hounds it's remarkable.the program I recommend is in Richard A.wolters water dog this book is worth it's weight in gold.imo
I trained a bird dog with Richard Wolter's Gun Dog book. I had been bird hunting about 4 times when I started. Great training book.

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