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What Does It Take????

what does it take to make a hound a top winner?? You see all these high priced hounds so what makes them winners and what separates them from your average dog?

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Re: What Does It Take????

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Originally posted by bluetikman
what makes them winners and what separates them from your average dog?

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If an ole boy don’t have a backer with deep pockets you will never read about that top dog unless ole money bags buys it.



Tar

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First a dog has got to have ALL the tools and know how to use them, second the dog must be indifferent to what the other dogs are doing. None of this treeing slick because another dog treed slick or running something wrong because another dog runs wrong. If you have a really good dog that pays no attention to the other dogs and operates to their ability, you WILL have a winning dog. Dave

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A consistent coon treer, a good handler, lots of time to hunt, a good income and finally you have to take them to town consistently. To me this is the biggest thing there are some pretty decent dogs that never get to the next level because the people hunting them have a regular job, kids in sports and so on. These fellas who are doing a lot of winning sacrifice a lot to do it and go to a lot of hunts.

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Oh my goodness, so any consistent coon treer can become a top big hunt winner if they have a good handler with a lot of money, time and desire? The dog doesn't have to have that much talent?

To me the most important thing is SACRIFICE!!
You have to sacrifice time out of your day to put these hounds in the woods.Its not easy at all to hunt 6 or 7 nights a week and sometimes it even sucks but you still take them. Dogs are like atheletes practice makes perfect. And they need your dedication just as you need theirs! Genetics and ability are very helpful also. They all don't make it!! Big income good handler? I've got neither of these backing my hounds but sacrifice alot of other things in order to do what I want. I sleep in my vehicle at hunts and I eat mostly what I pack. Fun? Not really but I still go. I don't have that big winner but I'm sure trying to get one there.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
If an ole boy don’t have a backer with deep pockets you will never read about that top dog unless ole money bags buys it.



Tar

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You don't make a big winner, they're are born with it. You can have a man made dog and do a little winning with them, but the dog your dreaming of is born with a little extra.
If your lucky enough to get that dog as a puppy and your a half way decent dog man you'll get your picture took.

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Originally posted by GCH Viper
You don't make a big winner, they're are born with it. You can have a man made dog and do a little winning with them, but the dog your dreaming of is born with a little extra.
If your lucky enough to get that dog as a puppy and your a half way decent dog man you'll get your picture took.

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Originally posted by GCH Viper
You don't make a big winner, they're are born with it. You can have a man made dog and do a little winning with them, but the dog your dreaming of is born with a little extra.
If your lucky enough to get that dog as a puppy and your a half way decent dog man you'll get your picture took.

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Pro hunts are only $300 to enter, most pro classics are $1000 and under. And all legacy hunts are $100 or $75 Yeah there are $6500 entries but nobody says you have to enter those to get your taken.

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After reading, watching video and talking to some friends about hunt results from this weekend. I was thinking about what this poster asked as I made coffee this morning.

Some of the men involved in a big win this weekend. Have been around for quite some time. Actually were involved with perhaps one of the most famous winning hound of all time. So how did they get from where they were several years ago. Then slowing down and almost non existent in the winners circle to now coming back and being on top again. Some men know what it takes to win.

The question that was asked by bluetikman. Was how do you make a hound a top winner? First you have to find a pup or young dog making a very nice hound. That takes a determined person to hunt that young dog. Then the dog has to be discovered. Not discovered as a top hound but discovered as having something extra. Lots of good pups out there that are solid coondogs. But they never get discovered. Just like movie stars and great singers. There are people singing in Church every Sunday that bless thousands with their voices over their lifetime while there are people out there making millions with their voices. The quality of both voices are the same.
So your hound has to go through discovery process, which cost money. Then it has to be pushed and exposed which also cost money. Thousands of coon hunters feel they have top hounds because they perform in their neck of the woods and tree a bunch of coon. Thats great. But it is different when hauling one to different areas. You will never know until you expose a dog to different conditions at different times of the year. This cost money.
So to get a good hound in your backyard to the top. It has to have money spent on it to get discovered, tested and proven. The more experienced and determined the handler is through this experience the better chance the dog has. So to answer your question in one sentence. The dog has to have a foundation of ability with money, desire, opportunity and some good breaks stacked on it. The owner also has to know when to fold his cards and move on to another dog. That is where most fail or cry sour grapes and quit. One thing many fail to see is the difference between a top competition hound and a top coonhound. Years past the difference was a good pleasure hound could make a good competition hound. Today it is different. There are quality hounds that won't never make a top completion hound. Because how the game is played at the top is different than how the game is played on the mountain or swamp you hunt. You would not buy your daughter a race horse as her first horse to ride. The division in dogs is becoming the same as it is in horses. A clam gentle nag can be a great horse loved by the family and but never win a race. On a side note. I asked a man yesterday if he saw any dog he really liked at a larger hunt this weekend. He said one. He said it was a Sunrise/Wipeout bred hound. So you take a man that knows dogs. They only see one dog they like out of a bunch of winners. That tells you the quality isn't what it should be at the top as it has become a game of winning. A game played with race horse caliber dogs and not those dogs everyone can ride. I think there will be a shift in the tide of where our "top comp" dogs are heading. As they are becoming to hard to ride. It will come back to a quality hound most of us remember that can win and be enjoyed at the same time. But if it doesn't and you have one that wins some and you enjoy all the time. Perhaps you are the real winner in the coonhound game. You just have to take your own picture and enjoy it.

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Originally posted by Sfox91
Pro hunts are only $300 to enter, most pro classics are $1000 and under. And all legacy hunts are $100 or $75 Yeah there are $6500 entries but nobody says you have to enter those to get your taken.

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I live in east central Indiana and hunt out of a Tacoma, travel/gas expenses are rather low, and I don’t eat much. I can be at a hunt any given weekend in a hour or two. But my desire to go to a hunt is at an all time low, so I haven’t been to one in months.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
So after you pay the entry fee there are no other expenses?


Tar

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One thing not mentioned. You have to enjoy going to competition hunts. For the fellowship not the win. You have to be able to acknowledge the winner and not be jealous of him. You have to learn when you loose you were not cheated, your dog was just beat. All those things go into having a top hound that is recognized.

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Originally posted by novicane65
Depends upon where the hunt is compared to your house. If you're travelling to such a hunt then yes there's more $ involved because of hotels and gas. But for the actual hunt, just the entry fee. I think there's less drama in the higher entry hunts as well. Because Ol'Jim Bob that refuses to read the rules or refuses to understand the rules won't enter his dog.

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Eric in those large entry hunts the big money men are buying up all the entry’s before anyone else can so they more less pick their competition. I think ive seen and heard it all no the big money men are picking there completion.lol lol lol lol my side is hurting .Yea I agree because these other so called big money men cant afford to buy the best hounds or hire the best handler in the world Hell it makes sense to me.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
kudos to you young guys still playing the game.
Tar

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This thread started out asking about dogs and somehow got changed to big money men and handlers. So, back to the dogs. Why are some dogs "winners" and some dogs "coon dogs"? I have had dogs that I really liked and treed a lot of coons but they weren't big winners. I have had other dogs that weren't that nice and I didn't like so much but they were comp hunt winners. They just seemed lucky. They don't dominate a cast but at the end of the night, they are ahead.

And why do most dogs win in spurts? They will go 4-6 weeks and not get beat. Then they will go 4-6 weeks and can't win a cast.

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Originally posted by Donnie Stevens
Somebody has to train it first. Seems to be far more handlers then trainers these days.

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BRUCE praise the lord if you are right I wouldn't hunt half these so called top hounds Why do you think PKC reduced the hunt time to 90 min. most of us guiding the pkc hunt are trespassing after the first 10min. a dog MUST go hunting but not 3/4 mile every drop !!

Ok lets try to answer some of this but most of what im gonna say is just a matter of opinion and my opinion really doesn't make a hill of beans so here we go.1 A dog HAS to have a coon when he gets treed and it cant be just at your house or on a feeder bucket or at a certain time of year HE HAS TO have the grocerys.2 A dog has to go hunting and I mean go hunting not get out of your sight and mingle around he needs to be looking for a coon this doesn't mean he needs to blow through the country every drop,The worst that ive every been beat was at my hunting in a pro hunt while hunting habit a 11 year old male dog treed 7 singles and never left 20 acres while mine was sitting trough the country on a den.3 A dog has to keep what ever points he gets he cant do stupid stuff and loose what hes got 4 A dog has to have enough mouth to stay in pocket and the handler needs to be able to pick him out in a crowd 5 A dog needs to be for me indepentant if hes not then he needs to be a great strike dog that is quick but he still has to have coons when u get there he cant just back every slick treeing idiot on a cast.So this is the first 5 things I look for before I proceed on with a potential hound after these 5 basic things theres another 10-12 that needs to happen or needs to be trained into one before I consider hauling and spending money on and at the end of the day if one pays his on way then you've accomplished what you've set out to do if your looking for a hound to make a living with then my advise is go find another occupation because it is almost impossible to keep it all together for long enough to feed your family off of.John ps as I said this is my opinion and theres a whole lot of people out there a hell of a lot smarter then me