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Tree dog question

Hunting last night and got to thinking about this. Would you rather have a dog that only treed when he was sure he had the coon or one that would gamble once in a while when he can't make the track go anywhere? (I know someone will tell me that a real dog will always know and not have to gamble but most of us have never even seen that dog much less owned him)

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Tom Wood

I prefer the ones that doesn't mess with the tracks they might have to gamble on. There's so many coons anymore I just don't see any value in banging around on a dead end track unnecessarily.

I can’t stand a ground pounder, so I’d rather a dog get treed or quit that track and find one he can tree. I’m in Iowa though and we have a good coon population so there’s no reason for a dog to take all night to tree one.

Hunt a still mouth dog, most of them are deadly accurate, but personally I prefer and "all around" hound that cane strike a track any where and has the brains an ability to get it out and located accurately. They all miss, but some are worse than others.

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So, Bob basically what you're asking is, if my dog is 800 yards deep struggling with a bad track, would I rather he just grab any tree or come in. I'm 77 years old and if he's going to make me walk through 800 yards of snake filled swamps to check his "gamble",I would just as soon he back to the truck. There are accurate dogs that know what they're doing.

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Donald Bergeron

Donald Bergeron

X2, I agree 100 percent with your post, yes that type of dog is not common, but they exist. I have owned and hunted them and you never are satisfied with less. Preacher Tom asked what we prefer and that's the kind of dog I want, but reality is that we do not always get what we want in anything, much less a dog. Lol. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

It's interesting how we like different kinds of dogs, I'm probably really old school and remember the time in the 70's when you could hunt all night to strike one track. I still like the dog that will take a really bad track and figure it out and tree the coon. Any (well most) dogs that will do this will occasionally not be able to tree the coon or will have to gamble some. Personally I would rather tree this coon than three hot coons.

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Tom Wood

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Originally posted by Preacher Tom
It's interesting how we like different kinds of dogs, I'm probably really old school and remember the time in the 70's when you could hunt all night to strike one track. I still like the dog that will take a really bad track and figure it out and tree the coon. Any (well most) dogs that will do this will occasionally not be able to tree the coon or will have to gamble some. Personally I would rather tree this coon than three hot coons.

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Donald Bergeron

The older I get the more important accuracy is to me. These swamps are getting deeper and boggier every year.

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Donald Bergeron

I might should make myself clear. I don't like walking to empty trees and won't do it much but I do believe a good dog figures out the track the best he can and trees sometimes when he's not 100% sure. I have a dog right now that you can tell when he "knows" and when he "thinks" the coon is there and yes he's right on those "thinks" trees way more than he's wrong. I won't hunt a tree grabber or a dog that can't finish most of his tracks. Hate a dog that just trees to be treed.

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Tom Wood

Dogs

It depends on the dog a good locating dog that trees alot of coon will miss once in a while but tree alot of coon the coon population is 3 times better than it was is many locations so a medium nose is plenty in thinner coons many times a trailing type dog looks better all dogs gamble sooner or later only the internet dogs never miss and finally Mr.Tom a good quick dog is just as accurate as a common so called tree checkecking type dog I like you have never seen one of these great internet dogs

Dogs

Just like I have said several times, it is not what you want, it's what you have in a dog. We all want certain things, but getting them is much harder than wanting them. If you have a dog you like and enjoy hunting, you are way ahead of most folks. Hunt what you like, nothing wrong with wanting better if you can find it. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

Re: Dogs

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Originally posted by wart
It depends on the dog a good locating dog that trees alot of coon will miss once in a while but tree alot of coon the coon population is 3 times better than it was is many locations so a medium nose is plenty in thinner coons many times a trailing type dog looks better all dogs gamble sooner or later only the internet dogs never miss and finally Mr.Tom a good quick dog is just as accurate as a common so called tree checkecking type dog I like you have never seen one of these great internet dogs

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Wart

Would you really like to see one of those "internet" not miss dogs operate? I would love to show you one that about as accurate as a dog can get, in the wintertime leaves off no excuses made ACCURACY. Here in these mountains or on your ground if it's reasonable driving distance and you have coons. I think I could arrange a little hunting trip this year, and I am being serious. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

Appreciate everyones comments. Did not intend to start any contention. There are many ways to look at this. I have my preferences and so does everyone else. Truth be told even my preference can change from night to night depending on how it's going.

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Tom Wood

Tom

I was not being contentious, I was being serious, my hunting buddy and I both love to coon hunt and would love to come hunt with some one who would like to see an exceptional accurate coon dog operate. Saying that, we would definitely only hunt these dogs by themselves, as that would only be the fair way to do it. We are both getting up in age and really do not know how much longer we can follow these old dogs at night. I think everyone involved would have a good time, I know we would. Nothing like hunting with new friends and watching a good coon dog operate. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

What I have noticed kinda a then vs now thing back in the day dogs were accurate under pressure. A lot not all of today’s dogs are more accurate when hunted alone in a group they are so competitive they have a tendency to talk each other in to a tree that they shouldn’t tree on.



Tar

Tar

Some dogs yes, some dogs no. I like hunting dogs by themselves it shows their weakness and their strength. A dog by themself has to find a coon track, trail that track and tree that track. You see their strengths in striking, trailing and ACCURACY when they are by themselves, no buddies doing part of the afore mentioned things for them. We have all seen dogs that could do part of the equation at a high level, it takes a coon dog to do it all at a high level. I want to see ALL of my dogs operate on their own. I have cut a good dog back in the same spot another dog just hunted without striking a coon and the good dog strike, trail and tree a coon the other dog never knew was there. A true coon dog needs no help in finding, running or treeing a coon. I find that often times folks hunting several dogs together are doing so to cover the faults of those dogs, that together they are decent, but suck by themselves. I could never call a dog a coon dog if they were not a coon dog by themself. I demand more than a lot of folks, I am judging a dog for what it can do alone not in a pack. We hunt and Champion our dogs in competition hunts so they can and will do it in company, but to me the real test is how they operate by themselves. You can say that I am HTXing every night I hunt, they are being tested. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

Dogs

A man can really see what he is hunting when you cut a dog by itself, we usually take 2 dogs every night we hunt and cut each dog separate, taking turns until we have hunted enough for that night. Do this 5 to 6 nights a week all Fall and Winter and you will see what kind of coon dog you are feeding. Some times we turn one dog loose one way and the other dog loose another way and both dogs get treed. I have hunted this way for years, I think it really show cases a dog to hunt it by itself. Dave

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Dave Richards Treeing Walkers Reg American Saddlebred and Registered Rocky Mt. Show Horses

I agree with Dave 100% ....if I can't take my dog and tree a coon on a regular basis I have the wrong dog and most of the people don't realize how few and far between these dogs are.

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Originally posted by Preacher Tom
It's interesting how we like different kinds of dogs, I'm probably really old school and remember the time in the 70's when you could hunt all night to strike one track. I still like the dog that will take a really bad track and figure it out and tree the coon. Any (well most) dogs that will do this will occasionally not be able to tree the coon or will have to gamble some. Personally I would rather tree this coon than three hot coons.

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