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old blooded dogs where are they?????

is there still any out there competing with world class hounds? Or are they stuck in open events trying to title out their whole life?

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Depends on what you call old blooded. Old blooded to me is dogs from 35 yrs ago or more.


Tar

yadkin river bred hounds house bred hounds lipper some that come to mind they dont have to be just walkers either thats just the breed i'm most familiar with.

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Most of that is so far back it is not a contributing factor anymore. Zeb 3 dogs are still winning major hunts but let’s say some of the most highest pup number studs never produced a world champion. I often wondered why some people would give $5,000 for a weaning pup out of them.



Tar

alot of boys in virginia still linebreed yadkin hounds for pleasure hunting but dont competition hunt you would think if someone will only pleasure hunt they would quit linebreeding certain hounds that have say cold slow trailing styles i dont know i'm just looking at some of the dogs winning and i never see anything that i would call older style blood.

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alot of boys in virginia still linebreed yadkin hounds for pleasure hunting but dont competition hunt you would think if someone will only pleasure hunt they would quit linebreeding certain hounds that have say cold slow trailing styles i dont know i'm just looking at some of the dogs winning and i never see anything that i would call older style blood.

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The yadkin river dogs I have had are not slow trailers they (run !! )a cold coon that hotter nosed dogs will pass up. What you got to understand is with the deep and alone dogs on the scene us old doggies with bad ears and legs are at a disadvantage. Just going with a buddy to tree a couple coons is more meaningful. Many of yesterday’s top breeders of top coonhounds fit that criteria.



Tar

so are you saying they can't compete against the hot nosed deep and lonely kind of hound?

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Originally posted by dmaker
so are you saying they can't compete against the hot nosed deep and lonely kind of hound?

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i understand, well how about this have you ever hunted with a older blooded dog that hunted deep and lonely?

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Originally posted by dmaker
i understand, well how about this have you ever hunted with a older blooded dog that hunted deep and lonely?

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Originally posted by mike shannon
I have linebred on 1984 Worldnite Champion Smith's Hillbilly Mac. I have him in the 3rd generation!!! I hunt what I breed and breed what I hunt.

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dmaker

i'm hunting a bloodline of walker's i got from a man that has had this same line for 52 years, i'm more of a pleasure hunter but do comp hunt a little and they are the best track dogs and accurate dogs i have ever had.i have coon hunted for 30+ years

I sure miss those old Bloodlines, most of them wouldn’t settle on a tree before they turned 4 years old but once they got to treeing you could usually have them broke off of deer and fox before they turned 7.
Many of the hunters would have a pack of hounds just to make up one dog that would tree a coon, you might have one dog for each task, one to strike, one to trail and one to tree. It was a bad hunt when your treedog left out on a deer before your track dog got a coon to a tree for him.

The people that’s missing those old dogs are the guys that’s not hunting and doing most of the posting on the hunting forums and bragging on old dead dogs.

The dogs hunters are hunting today would easily tree twice as many coon as the common dogs would 50 years ago. I remember treeing coon that dogs dogs trailed for 6 hours and didn’t go a mile. Now days it’s not uncommon for a dog to tree six coon in that amount of time.
The people that’s bragging on dogs from 50 years ago either wasn’t hunting 50 years ago or don’t know what a coondog is now.

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Originally posted by V. Cannon
I sure miss those old Bloodlines, most of them wouldn’t settle on a tree before they turned 4 years old but once they got to treeing you could usually have them broke off of deer and fox before they turned 7.
Many of the hunters would have a pack of hounds just to make up one dog that would tree a coon, you might have one dog for each task, one to strike, one to trail and one to tree. It was a bad hunt when your treedog left out on a deer before your track dog got a coon to a tree for him.

The people that’s missing those old dogs are the guys that’s not hunting and doing most of the posting on the hunting forums and bragging on old dead dogs.

The dogs hunters are hunting today would easily tree twice as many coon as the common dogs would 50 years ago. I remember treeing coon that dogs dogs trailed for 6 hours and didn’t go a mile. Now days it’s not uncommon for a dog to tree six coon in that amount of time.
The people that’s bragging on dogs from 50 years ago either wasn’t hunting 50 years ago or don’t know what a coondog is now.

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Did you read the list of dogs I said I hunted against and that’s not all of them dogs of a today couldn’t have held their sack.


Tar

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Originally posted by V. Cannon
I also hunted with some of those dogs and dogs like coonstopper along drawing some of the supposedly great dogs Delton advertised.

I don’t think any of those dogs could compare to the good dogs today.
It’s miles difference in hunters breeding programs today.

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Old bloodlines VS new bloodlines

Men, the facts are that without the old bloodlines we would not have the new bloodlines. What folks liked yesteryear folks today may or may not like, it's all in ones choice, but without yesterday's dogs, we would not have the dogs of today. We ALL evolve and our choices are always changing, hunt what you like and do not worry about what the other man hunts. We ALL do not like the same thing whatever is being discussed, be it dogs, guns, trucks or anything else. The different choices we have gives each of us the opportunity to be different, but that in itself does not make our choices the BEST choices, it only serves to separate our different likes and dislikes. Thank GOD we all are not alike and that we have something for everyone. Dave

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so what i meant is not who is better because times have changed coons use to make money so having a dog that took his time and groomed the area was what people wanted in a hound tree them as they came now a days coons are worth a shoe covered in s*** and people want comp dogs what i was getting at is are there any dogs that have that type of blood that people have bred to be able to compete or have they stayed the same and kept to the roots to keep that older style living? reason this came to mind is i bred my linebred hound which his pedigree has house chief shives dogs alot of woodscreek loose bruce and a pile of yadkin river tar rattler with shots of yadkin river champ chico crowder and tar heel dogs i crossed my male who has won plenty in ukc open slams and rqe's and is 4th in pkc iowa state race with a fresh blooded female that complimented is faults she is directly out of wenty and reezen and wenty is heavy nailor bred (yadkin river rattler is nailors sire) so i thought maybe this would be a decent cross for me and a few people i know that love my dog and want to competition hunt and was curious if there was people out there still running these hunts with dogs like mine up close basically to black and white the cross would be cold nose drift tracks run head up blow in the country and tree when he knew he had coons and crossed him on a very hot nose tree everybreath hard hard going female thats the black and white version of it just seeing whose tried it how'd it go

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Most of that is so far back it is not a contributing factor anymore. Zeb 3 dogs are still winning major hunts but let’s say some of the most highest pup number studs never produced a world champion. I often wondered why some people would give $5,000 for a weaning pup out of them.



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Originally posted by Coby Wright
I assume you are referring to Rat Attack and it's because his pup earnings are nearly $2 million in PKC and I think the 2002 PKC world champion Vogels Hardwood Rat was out of him.

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I have a female out of Dr law I guess is the dreaded lipper blood. I started keeping track December 1st 43 coons 8dens and 4slicks. She probably three 20 or so before December 1st. Hunts the way ones suppose to twenty feet or two miles don't matter. Been in Northern Ohio by the way most of the time after ten o'clock.

i know one of the gentlemen that owed chkc and he hunted with law and bred his female the next cycle so that said i know that law is a sure nuff coondog because he wouldn't breed to a hound that's as common as grass.

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Originally posted by Midnightghost
I have a female out of Dr law I guess is the dreaded lipper blood. I started keeping track December 1st 43 coons 8dens and 4slicks. She probably three 20 or so before December 1st. Hunts the way ones suppose to twenty feet or two miles don't matter. Been in Northern Ohio by the way most of the time after ten o'clock.

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