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Is selling, the new "culling"?

Question of now vs 20-30 years ago.. Is there a big difference of how dogs were handled that didn't make it back then? It seems now that if a dog isn't cutting it, they just get peddled onto the next person. Was there more culling back in the 80's/90's?

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Ryan Morris

In my opinion there was a lot more dog trading and peddling in the 60s and 70s than now.

Yes.

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Shane

Probably about the same percentage... instead of culling they end up at a trade day!....or on the internet!

Definitely more dog trading went on in the past.

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Turk Ramsey
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It's just changed from trading dogs at the local club to selling them on the internet. Samething only now there is more money involved

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years ago, about this time of year, a fellow out my way would get a cattle trailer full of hound like dogs some even from the animal shelter and haul them to Kenton and trade em off for others then sell those back out this way--he was a fur buyer so he moved them by the first part of Oct.--IMO most should of been culled --those he took to trade and those he hauled back to sell

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There are just as many culls today as there was back then...

The reasons are probably the same from back then and now...

A few reasons...one mans hunting dog is another mans cull...

Someone buys a top bred pup that doesn’t turn out so they sell it to get their money back...or...breed it to get their money back...

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In the late 90s and early 00s I swapped and traded around a lot. Most of the time I'd rather have new than good, and several times I knowingly traded down just to have something different in the pen. It was boring to me to load the same old dog in the same old truck, drive to the same old spot and tree the same old coon in the same old tree.
After that for some reason i decided to start culling hard, but it occurred to me that I was dealing for junk then dealing with that junk. Didn't make a lot of sense.
The plan nowadays is to buy something decent, hunt it a season, and then sell it and start looking for something else.

Yes

I believe the answer is yes. It seems the well rounded coon dog that was once the goal of most breeding programs, has in many circumstances been bred into a more specialized hound. Along this journey, we may have gained stronger traits, that are desirable to certain regions, breeders, kennels, or groups of houndsmen. But Im also of the opinion, that we have lost much of our "all round hound foundation". I cull very hard, years ago there were many hounds that could tree a coon on their own, that just didn't make the cut. This was my thinking because, it was the way I was taught, and many thought the same way as the Old Timers did then. I capitalize (Old Timer) because it is a term of endearment and respect to me. Now I find many young dogs cant do it at all, some are all tree, many slick me to death, lots wont hunt, cant work a track unless its hot. I realize these are age old problems, but they appear to be more specialized, and intense, than in days past. If a dog can tree its own coon nowadays, its no longer a cull, its a "well started hound" that gets traded or sold for personal gain, or in effort to regain part of todays puppy prices. This is only my opinion, not meant to upset anyone. Im not a successful breeder, still gathering knowledge every chance I get.

It sure appears that way.. in the 70's-80 if you got stuck with a cull you could take it to most gun and dog auctions and there would be a serum truck there that would give $25 for any slick haired dog in decent condition--- they did not seem to want long haired dogs.. used as research animals and to make Vaccines

that ended years ago

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I think part of the problem is that in the old days it was easier to see if a dog was good or bad. We have improved the breeding (if you want to call it that) to have many bad dogs doing some good things. It is hard to cull the best tree dog you ever owned. FOR SOME. Even if the tree is slick most of the time. It is hard to get rid of the biggest mouth dog you ever owned. Just because it has another fault or two.

In the old days. If I could get one to hunt out and tree a little. I could generally make a decent dog out of it. Today we have them hunting miles and treeing plenty. That are junk hounds. But man can the hunt and tree.

Nothing will never replace the ability of a dog man to evaluate a hound. But plenty interferes with an inexperienced hound person getting rid of a dog that has some aspects of being a coonhound. When the look and sound so good at doing nothing. LOL

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Extremely hard hard treeing seems to blind a higher percentage of hunters than anything else!

You ever went to a burger restraunt nd when you get your burger it don’t look nothing like the picture on the menu. A lot of breeders figured out if they bred the right crosses that they could guarantee their pups would be running and treeing at 1 yr of age or your money back didn’t say they would have coons in their trees but hey if you bring it back they will give you your $500 back and sell it with a video of an all grand super tree dog to sombody else for $1,500 or higher.



The video never shows the top of the tree or eyeballs.


Tar

There is one aspect no one is talking about. Culling a hunting dog for not hunting is illegal in many areas today.

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Larry Atherton

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Larry, I have always know you to be a smart man. Culling doesn't always mean to end their life on earth. Culling that removes them from the gene pool is effective and can be accomplished by just not breeding them or have them fixed at the vet so then can't be bred. Still have a big eyed loving pet. Culling or killing to remove them from your feed bill because you didn't have the sense to train them or the dog didn't have sense enough to be trained. Thats a whole different story and one best left for around the campfire.

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Sometimes you do what needs to be done and just keep it to yourself. I give one way more of a chance than I did years ago.



Tar

Most of my dogs are Curs, Plotts and crosses between the two. I don't sell my culls, I give them to hog hunters. Most of the time folks call me back and thank me because they made pretty good hog dogs.

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Good point Al. Lots of deer hunters down here and many a coondog cull have made a good deer hound.

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Originally posted by 2ol2hunt
Extremely hard hard treeing seems to blind a higher percentage of hunters than anything else!

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Tom Wood

You're exactly right Mr. Tom!

One of the best quotes I heard about how fast a dog barked was that he didn't care if the dog only barked 5 times a minute. That was enough to find him and was plenty to keep from being minused for not barking often enough.

Re: Is selling, the new "culling"?

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Originally posted by ClayBottom11
Question of now vs 20-30 years ago.. Is there a big difference of how dogs were handled that didn't make it back then? It seems now that if a dog isn't cutting it, they just get peddled onto the next person. Was there more culling back in the 80's/90's?

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Bruce

You are right. In fact, if we could search back far enough, I have made that same argument myself. I have kept dogs that were not breeding material until they passed of old age. I have sold some and given some away. New owners were always told of any quirks. Luckily, I haven't had any totally worthless in an extremely long time.

My bad, Bruce.

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Larry Atherton

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I have had a lot of happiness with so called cull dogs if you mean a dog that may not be a competition winner. I find these 2-3 year old dogs the owners don’t want a ton of money for because they aren’t winning and they become fantastic pleasure dogs. I have done it with coonhounds and beagles. One mans cull is another’s pleasure.