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Posted by TylerOSU on 04-03-2019 10:05 PM:

Stationary Rule

So this one may have been brought up before and maybe not. Last night we were sitting around a $kc hunt talking about rules and situations and two big ones got brought up in UKC. If they are in the "advisor" I'm going to throat punch someone.

1. Stationary Rule: My dog is stationary and I think he's in a hole. I don't tree my dog and we walk in there and determine my dog IS in a hole. The Rule reads when you walk in you have to determine the dog is on a TREE. Am I scratched or not?

2. Option to Cut to a treed dog: 4 dog cast, I've (dog A)somehow treed two coons on the rest of the dogs, there's a dog treed (Dog B) therefor I have the option to cut or walk to dog to them, I keep mine on the lead. We score Dog B and Dog C is treed in through the country prior to arriving at Dog C's tree. Once again I keep mine on the lead. Say this situation continues the rest of the cast with dogs getting split treed (Not going to happen in this registry). Who says I cant keep mine on the lead for the rest of the hunt as long as we are constantly walking to a treed dog?

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Posted by T Felderman on 04-03-2019 10:34 PM:

Re: Stationary Rule

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Originally posted by TylerOSU

Once again I keep mine on the lead. Say this situation continues the rest of the cast with dogs getting split treed (Not going to happen in this registry).

WOW, since it won't happen in this registry I won't bother explaining.

Posted by TylerOSU on 04-03-2019 11:18 PM:

Re: Re: Stationary Rule

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Originally posted by T Felderman
WOW, since it won't happen in this registry I won't bother explaining.

I wasn’t downing the registry or anything about it. I hunt as many or more UKC hunts and support them 100%. I hunt all KCs no matter the kind. I’m sure if you could explain it you sure would have. Most people do even if I don’t ask...

Posted by harleydan1956 on 04-04-2019 02:44 AM:

Your strike points are circled. You are NOT scratched.
Yes. As long as 1 dog is treed, you have the option to turn loose or not. I would do the same. As you would be wasting time if your dog would go to back it. You get no points after 5 minutes, but must strike it after 3rd bark.

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Posted by joey on 04-04-2019 08:01 AM:

Re: Stationary Rule

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Originally posted by TylerOSU
So this one may have been brought up before and maybe not. Last night we were sitting around a $kc hunt talking about rules and situations and two big ones got brought up in UKC. If they are in the "advisor" I'm going to throat punch someone.

1. Stationary Rule: My dog is stationary and I think he's in a hole. I don't tree my dog and we walk in there and determine my dog IS in a hole. The Rule reads when you walk in you have to determine the dog is on a TREE. Am I scratched or not?

2. Option to Cut to a treed dog: 4 dog cast, I've (dog A)somehow treed two coons on the rest of the dogs, there's a dog treed (Dog B) therefor I have the option to cut or walk to dog to them, I keep mine on the lead. We score Dog B and Dog C is treed in through the country prior to arriving at Dog C's tree. Once again I keep mine on the lead. Say this situation continues the rest of the cast with dogs getting split treed (Not going to happen in this registry). Who says I cant keep mine on the lead for the rest of the hunt as long as we are constantly walking to a treed dog?

1. correct the dog has to be on a actual tree, not a hole, a power pole, hung up on a fence or treed in a barn. It has to actually be on a tree to scratch you.

2. you can walk him all night as long as they is a dog declared treed.

3. Its all in the advisor.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 04-04-2019 02:22 PM:

UKC does not have a stationary rule. That is PKC's rule. UKC has an "obviously treed" rule. Your dog has to be "obviously treed" (judge's decision). If the judge thinks that your dog is obviously treed, then he can start the time on him. At the end of the time if you have not treed your dog, then you go to him and if he is "treed" you are scratched. If you think that your dog is in a hole, then you can just go to him and you don't even have to tree him.
Under PKC's stationary rule your dog only has to be "stationary" and the judge can start the time. If the time runs out and you haven't treed him, then you are scratched. The cast doesn't even have to go to him to see what he is doing.

Posted by Rocketman55 on 04-04-2019 10:48 PM:

Re-Cutting when dog (s) are treed

I would like to offer one piece of clarification as to what is being stated on this recast situation.

I'm pretty sure you only have the "option" to keep your dog on the leash, so long as at least one other dog is out competing for a strike. If all dogs that were once treed, have been scored, and that last dog finally gets declared treed, you no longer have that option.

But I guess it is possible, "but not probable" that you could conseivably make it all the way through a cast after the first tree, so long as someone else keeps choosing to cut loose, and never are the two dogs loose ever treed at the same time.

Pretty odd chance of that happening, but I guess it is possible

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Posted by joey on 04-05-2019 05:38 AM:

Re: Re-Cutting when dog (s) are treed

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Originally posted by Rocketman55
I would like to offer one piece of clarification as to what is being stated on this recast situation.

I'm pretty sure you only have the "option" to keep your dog on the leash, so long as at least one other dog is out competing for a strike. If all dogs that were once treed, have been scored, and that last dog finally gets declared treed, you no longer have that option.

But I guess it is possible, "but not probable" that you could conseivably make it all the way through a cast after the first tree, so long as someone else keeps choosing to cut loose, and never are the two dogs loose ever treed at the same time.

Pretty odd chance of that happening, but I guess it is possible

I see what your point but this is what is says:

. Upon being scored, dog(s) must be
turned loose with other dogs that are opening
on trail to compete for next available strike
points. However, if dog(s) are already treed,
handlers have the option to hold onto or
release dog(s) so long as at least one dog is
not declared treed.

It doesn't say he gets to stay on the leash until the original dogs that were treed are scored. However UKC gets to make the interpretations and because they haven't done this one yet that I know of then who knows what they will do.

My opinion is he gets too but shouldn't be able too. It;s a loop hole that allows him to not compete and stay on the leash as long as he has his lead.

Posted by yadkintar on 04-05-2019 12:58 PM:

Re: Re: Re-Cutting when dog (s) are treed

quote:
Originally posted by joey
I see what your point but this is what is says:

. Upon being scored, dog(s) must be
turned loose with other dogs that are opening
on trail to compete for next available strike
points. However, if dog(s) are already treed,
handlers have the option to hold onto or
release dog(s) so long as at least one dog is
not declared treed.

It doesn't say he gets to stay on the leash until the original dogs that were treed are scored. However UKC gets to make the interpretations and because they haven't done this one yet that I know of then who knows what they will do.

My opinion is he gets too but shouldn't be able too. It;s a loop hole that allows him to not compete and stay on the leash as long as he has his lead.

If they ever do go no leash lock they will then have to tree break their dogs in the other kc's you go back twice to the tree your scratched. Because in ukc they can go back all they want and they will let them to burn the clock.

Tar

Posted by johnny reb on 04-05-2019 12:58 PM:

Loophole or whatever u want to call it. In the right circumstances it’s good handling to stay on the leash. It could also be beneficial to cut loose. Knowing when to go wide open and knowing when to cool down is the difference in good handling and bad handling. I know some will say something about using the rules in your favor. But this is a game and it’s a 2 part game part handling and part dog power.

Posted by Richard Lambert on 04-05-2019 01:46 PM:

Tarbaby, they are only burning up their own clock. What does it matter to you if another man's dog goes back to the same tree? This rule is used in the other KC just to scratch a dog that has treed a coon and is winning the cast.

Posted by yadkintar on 04-05-2019 02:06 PM:

Do I really got to explain that to you brouther ? At the end of the hunt if he is ahead it might be better for his dog to go back to waste time or your dog might be on a slick or slick tail lol.

Tarbaby

Posted by Richard Lambert on 04-05-2019 02:23 PM:

What is there to explain? You should be hoping that your dog trees a coon to beat him and not be looking for a way to scratch him because his dog has already treed one. You are making it sound like you are part of the "use the rules to scratch the dog that has treed the most coons so I can win mentality" of handlers. I hope that I am mistaken and you aren't.

Posted by yadkintar on 04-05-2019 02:59 PM:

I didn't say I would do it lol ! But anything you can do to keep your dog away from their dog and eat up clock time now is the game they play. I understand the game it don't mean I play it that way.

Tarbaby

Posted by TylerOSU on 04-05-2019 03:02 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
I didn't say I would do it lol ! But anything you can do to keep your dog away from their dog and eat up clock time now is the game they play. I understand the game it don't mean I play it that way.

Tarbaby

Why do you say THEY Tar? You not ever comp hunt? You not ever competed? Or are you part of the HONOR RULE system still? That's the pot calling the kettle black!

Posted by yadkintar on 04-05-2019 03:14 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by TylerOSU
Why do you say THEY Tar? You not ever comp hunt? You not ever competed? Or are you part of the HONOR RULE system still? That's the pot calling the kettle black!

Tyler I just finished two dogs before the first of the year lol. And lots of times I have to moh while you young whipper snappers hunt. I have walked backwards in more hunts than you ever hunted in lol.

Keep putting your britches on !

Tar

Posted by TylerOSU on 04-05-2019 04:29 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
Tyler I just finished two dogs before the first of the year lol. And lots of times I have to moh while you young whipper snappers hunt. I have walked backwards in more hunts than you ever hunted in lol.

Keep putting your britches on !

Tar

Yeah, yeah, yeah. Age is just a number... My britches are on just fine actually. Prohunt this weekend SS next week. Just because you hunted in more of them doesn't mean anything to me. If you've been in so many these situational rules would have already been mentioned on the forum! Those loopholes would have already been found and fixed. But again you probably are playing the HONOR game and don't even think about loopholes. Knowing them could be the difference between winning the world or losing at an RQE.

Posted by TylerOSU on 04-05-2019 04:32 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
Tyler I just finished two dogs before the first of the year lol.

Keep putting your britches on !

Tar

And don't tell me you made two dogs NTCH and consider them finished...

Posted by yadkintar on 04-05-2019 04:41 PM:

Hey kiddo plate and 10 screws in my left ankle , both knees scoped , my L5 S 1 is titanium in my back and I will be 61 yrs old in May you let me know how much passion you have when you get there. That's finished enough for me.

I am hunting in a world hunt next month lol. You don't get to because your under qualified ( not old enough ) lol.

Tar

Posted by TylerOSU on 04-05-2019 04:51 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
Hey kiddo plate and 10 screws in my left ankle , both knees scoped , my L5 S 1 is titanium in my back and I will be 61 yrs old in May you let me know how much passion you have when you get there. That's finished enough for me.

I am hunting in a world hunt next month lol. You don't get to because your under qualified ( not old enough ) lol.

Tar

And you Mrs. Tar must not be letting you sleep much because you've been grumpy the last few days. And you have fun hunting it, I hope you win the whole deal. Don't go down on the cast or Mrs Tar will take you to the scrap yard and be able to pay for all her pain and suffering!

Posted by yadkintar on 04-05-2019 04:57 PM:

If I don't win nothing I will have a blast with all my old freinds there. Are going to watch the grand kids ball game catch you whe I get back.

Tar

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