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Just a question for the old guys ?

Somthing I witnessed back many times in the old 3 hr hunt days. You drew a coondog that was an athlete just total and complete domination as the night went on they just got stronger to the point they broke the other dogs in the cast will to compete just took away their spirit. I remember some but y'all can name them if you like.


Tar

Tar...a dog like that might be too much dog for the average hunter...and that would be one reason why there isn’t so many...

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The ones I hunted with were really well trained and just treed coon after coon some the other dogs didn't even have a clue the coon was there. All most of the time in less than a mile from the pickup the whole hunt. Just absolute were so dominate the other dogs quit and their handlers did to.



I will let the other guys mention some of them.


Tar

Re: Just a question for the old guys ?

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Somthing I witnessed back many times in the old 3 hr hunt days. You drew a coondog that was an athlete just total and complete domination as the night went on they just got stronger to the point they broke the other dogs in the cast will to compete just took away their spirit. I remember some but y'all can name them if you like. Tar

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Vic it will ruin the post if I go to blaben lol ! Some of us are going to say the same ones.


Tar

I saw a walker out of Mundo one night at Quinton Okla score about 1000 points more than the nearest dog. He looked unbeatable and sold for big money the next week. The dogs name was Levi.

I hunted with Lonnie Myers and Finley river Dan several times when Lonnie lived in my area then he moved to Springfield,MO. First trophy I ever won was a hunt out in Kansas. I was hunting an older Plott female and Lonnie had Dan which was only 10 months old. Dont remember other cast members, got to remember this was somewhere in the mid to later 60s. We treed a collie dog and two big coons under an old abandoned house and I won the cast with 25+. Sometime later I had a outstanding Plott female and Lonnie had Dan, they were both Nite champions and the only ones in this 3 hour cast. I carried the card and we drove little over an hour to get to my real good spot. They treed one together and then later were split mine had a den and Dans was on the outside. So that gave him his 4th win which was a fri. nite. We were the only nite champion the next night sat. and Dan got his 5th. win. So I got to see what a top dog Dan was and Lonnie was always a great gentelman to hunt with. Saw each other at Winter classic couple of years ago and enjoyed bringing up old times. If I had been a walker man my walkers would of had a whole lot of ole Dan in them.

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seen coon stopper come in with 1000+ and scratched out with 500-

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seen coon stopper come in with 1000+ and scratched out with 500-

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One of my mentors who was probably the hardest hunter I've ever known, was on a cast of Grand Nights or Nt. CH. back in the 70's. He told me Boyds Little Joe treed 3 coons on that cast, and his dog backed him on one, but those were the only coons treed that night! He said the same thing about Minklers Kansas Rock, at Walker Days. Said he treed coons, the other dogs didn't know was in the woods.

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Hey Vic this ones for you !!

Utchmans blue locktite gene degrafied brought him in this country just pounded you coon after coon for the whole hunt treeing every coon he struck even layups and was a one bark pressure tree dog.




Tar

I saw Finley River Joe tree 5 singles, temp 15 deg snow so deep you could hardly get thru it. The kicker is there was 2 other Grnts there and they could not tree after Joe had them treed. Best Coon Dog I ever hunted with.

Pac man, Hardwood Dan several times and yes one night Lipper, half pint patty would make you want to quit and you needed a stout dog to tree with her first of this kind of dog I ever hunted It was a love hate kind of thing. here is the way I see it 70s early 80s coon dogs mid 80s to late 90s mean dogs that ran junk and got treed late 90s till now slick treeing thyroid dogs but not as mean as the late 90s

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Originally posted by yadkintar
The ones I hunted with were really well trained and just treed coon after coon some the other dogs didn't even have a clue the coon was there. All most of the time in less than a mile from the pickup the whole hunt.



I will let the other guys mention some of them.


Tar

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How common where they Tar?

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Maybe because I was competing then it seemed like there was more of them than now but all I do is see the play by plays. Like Jeremy's joe dog he is consistent in the hunts he has been in just don't have bad nights so far. I am watching him I think he is special. But we hunted 3 hrs in the same spot babbling would eventually get you scratched high numbers at the hunts you had to beat high scores to win and we had no plan B win with circle or minus. But it was a different time.


Here is anouther out of the whole lipper era grntch houses lawyer would pound you coon after coon the whole hunt he was my favorite.


Tar

29 years ago at SETWD I drew GrNtCh High Tide, GrNtCh Yadkin River Money, GrNtCh (But can’t remember his name) and I was hunting GrNtCh C,B a direct son of Pac-Man! 4 Big Loud Male Coon Dogs, the owners and handlers came to win big or go home, there was no circles, we seen a coon or we took our minus, it took a brave Man to walk in to the tree with all 4 males blowing the top out, slobber slinging, it was a site to see an hear, I won the cast by 25 but what I remember the most was the professionalism and respect.

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Tim that's what this post is about well spoken.


Tar

Tar, I see a few now again but they definitely are not common. They were not back then either but I feel like I seen more of them. I feel like a big reason for this change over the years started with the supper stakes. Used to be when I went to a local hunt I was hunting against 4, 5 and 6 year old coon dogs. Now all I draw is young dogs and pups. They are retired and sold by the time they are a coon dog. Yes I have seen some really nice young dogs but its nothing like drawing a cast of 5 or 6 year old coon dogs that have had the hair hunted off of them.

I owned a female in the late 90's that when the cast were drawn out and they seen they had her on the cast they just dropped their head. They knew they were beat before we left the club. I've had some sense then that demanded respect but none like her.

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Joey I still got the stuff that can win buuuuuut they got an old crippled broke fat man following them and you have to hunt them. some nights I just don't feel like it. They are to tuff for me I use the Toyota as much as I can. I feel like my age group has those back in the day consistent dogs we always had. But these young handlers want to get paid what I could pay a bran new house payment with even if they don't win. I can still win if I feel like going and I don't enjoy the death marches worth a chit lol.


Tar

Well Tar when ever the water goes down come see me. I'm not that far, I got 10k acres covered in coon and we can put the headlights of the sxs on every tree. For us broke down fat folks.

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Tar

Yadkin River Bear

An absolute freak of nature. I owned his great grandma. his grandpa and his daddy. My buddy Ralph Williams raised this litter and I got a female that I sold at 8 months old in the woods by herself and Ralph was hunting Bear by himself at 5 months old and another hunter heard him run and tree and came into the tree and offered a nice price for him. I bought him off Ralph because he started running deer and Ralph couldn't tell if it was a coon or deer. All his tracks were the same, wide open. Squall mouth and was unbelieveable fast. more than once on a cast I heard other hunters say we won't have to worry about that dog, he's leaving on a deer and then listen to him locate and have it.
He was hunted in Indiana in nine cast and never lost a cast. Won the Lee Crawford, came back the next year and was in the top ten. No dog at that time had ever placed in the top ten three years in a row so went back for a try and was supposedly dryholed. He still managed to tree one the others never knew was in the woods. He placed 13th then turned around and won his cast on Friday night out of 144 nt.ch. hunted. Chris Leigh bought him and kept him until Bear died.

Not really anything anybody else ain't done but. I bought the 2000 pkc world champion you can read that play by play had two dogs had so many trees they had to write them on the back of the card lol.one dog running and ole bozz just kept treeing coons. I won the Oklahoma state championship and American heritage hunt with him and quite a few $$$ hunts. Then found out he was Sterile. I trained my grchgrntch yadkin tar deacon dog with him deacon ended up my once in a life time dog. Raised grntch hell female ( granny ) , grch ntch boomer , and grch ntch Macie out of deacon . Won the Oklahoma state championship and pkc champion with granny. Boomer was ntch winner at Ada Oklahoma. Macie is the dam of my grch ntch babe female I hunt now and cruiser is out of granny and Fred he was out of a littermate to babe I got Fred through the zones a couple years back as a two year old. He lacked one win being a dual grand when he got killed. I have owned tons of titled dogs but none suited me like these. I handled dogs for one of the biggest retailers of used coondogs for years we was at every hunt. When some of the most powerful dogs going finished their competition career he bought them most just didn't reproduce. But I hunted with them that's where I got my experience of many types of dogs. What this thread ment to me is the greatest dogs I seen just didn't make mistakes and were strong the whole hunt the dogs I see today ( in the play by plays ) it's in black and white still win tons of money with mistakes. I don't know nothing more than anybody my age that's been where I been should know. There is several of these young folks I am really proud of and would love to pass down what I have to them someday.


Tar

I hunted with Piney Hill Sam a bunch. He could run a coon like most dogs ran deer. Tar Heel Henry could make other dogs look foolish too. He drew Half Pint Patty the year she won the $KC World and if he had gotten 1st strike instead of her; he might have won the whole thing. They split and it was her strike on that turnout that was the difference. Think he also was 2nd in the next World and 4th in the UKC World. That was the year the Radar dog won it and they had to go until after daylight to tree one. Henry wouldn't have taken that long.
Another hound that was impressive was an old crippled English dog named Buxton Creek Chip. If he had been at full capacity; he might have been hard to handle. I saw him dominate a couple of Nite Ch. casts as he was.