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What's the difference

What's the difference between a coon dog and a competition dog ..

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YOU CAN'T POLISH A TURD !

Oh and before anyone says they're the same thing . The last good dog I owned was a coon dog and went 0 -3 in competition. I don't use that word lightly I've been hunting 30 plus years and I only owned four I would call a coon dog.

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A coon dog is an honest dog ......a competition dog not so.
A coon dog is a pleasure to hunt ....a competition dog not so .
Rare is a coon dog/ competition dog in one dog, but they do exist.

Some coon dogs make terrible competition dogs. Just 1 small example of the many things that can determine the difference would be a ill temper. It can be a super coon dog alone but worthless in competition.

Most don’t want to to know the answer but the difference between most hounds is a trainer that is actually smarter than the dog I always said and have proved it the only difference between a 1000 dollar dog and a 5000 dollar dog is 40 nights of hard hunting in the right hands, when you got a true coon dog you will win more than you lose and if you don’t it’s not the dogs fault.

Competition dogs get gone ,they go until they find a easy coon to tree .A good pleasure dog will get gone also but he is looking more for a good track and is not real picky about how old the track is. The pleasure dog gets the track moving and will check his tree more before he trees the coon .
I would like to own a dog that can tree a easy coon quick ,run a medium track fast , be accurate and not hunt in a straight line and be as smart as a yard dog. This is the type of dog i require to do both here in the hills of Arkansas . I am training one now that is out of Bone and Lone Pine honey if he will turn out close to as good as his Uncle, Lone Pine legend who in my opinion is a very nice Competition / Pleasure dog . I will have achieved my goal i started Five years ago .

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Originally posted by bowling
Most don’t want to to know the answer but the difference between most hounds is a trainer that is actually smarter than the dog I always said and have proved it the only difference between a 1000 dollar dog and a 5000 dollar dog is 40 nights of hard hunting in the right hands, when you got a true coon dog you will win more than you lose and if you don’t it’s not the dogs fault.

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jason

the difference between a coondog and a competion dog is being smart enough to know the difference between the two. and what is required in both.

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Originally posted by Jeff Prince
Oh and before anyone says they're the same thing . The last good dog I owned was a coon dog and went 0 -3 in competition. I don't use that word lightly I've been hunting 30 plus years and I only owned four I would call a coon dog.

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Originally posted by bowling
Most don’t want to to know the answer but the difference between most hounds is a trainer that is actually smarter than the dog I always said and have proved it the only difference between a 1000 dollar dog and a 5000 dollar dog is 40 nights of hard hunting in the right hands, when you got a true coon dog you will win more than you lose and if you don’t it’s not the dogs fault.

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Jeff Prince

Me too, granted there are some good trainers out there, but I really don't think there are any trainers that can turn a 1k dog into a 5k dog in a short period of time. Natural ability in a dog out weighs any trainers ability, the only way I see this happening is taking a started dog and finishing that dog, and that takes time. You can not finish a dog in 2/3 months, it takes repetition and that takes time. Dave

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Originally posted by Dave Richards
Me too, granted there are some good trainers out there, but I really don't think there are any trainers that can turn a 1k dog into a 5k dog in a short period of time. Natural ability in a dog out weighs any trainers ability, the only way I see this happening is taking a started dog and finishing that dog, and that takes time. You can not finish a dog in 2/3 months, it takes repetition and that takes time. Dave

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Jason/ole hoss

Granted you are a very good dog man, but as discussed in other threads, you know it takes natural ability for a dog to go far. Trainers simple polish the digs natural abilities. No one can train for track, speed or accuracy, price of dog does not always reflect quality, a bad trainer can ruin a talented dog and a great trainer can certainly get more out of a talented dog. I still say that very few, if any can make a 1k dog into a 5k dog in a short period. Maybe the 1k dog was worth 5k to begin with, people see different things in the same dog, even a diamond must be polished to see the shine. Dave

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No offense, I'll take a mess of good ole natural pleasure dogs anyday.

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Originally posted by Dogwhisper
A coon dog is an honest dog ......a competition dog not so.

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Mr Richards

x2 on natural ability. I myself I'm no dog trainer I can not teach a dog to be a good track or accurate tree dog I can only put them in these mountains and river bottoms 4/5 nights a week and give them the chance to learn how to use their natural ability. maybe that's why in 30+ years of this I have never had a high end comp. dog LOL.

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All our dogs have some differences. Main one if you're looking to tag one as a pleasure hound or Competition hound. Is how hard and far it hunts. That is the only difference that any true hound person should accept. Hunting close if you have small land or old legs is pleasurable. You want that in an otherwise solid hound if that is what you want is very understandable. Trust me you can win with that dog also.

I dislike it very much when one hangs a label on a hound that it is a completion hound because of faults. Trashy, babbler, mean, one way straight hunter. Those are faults for any coon hound to have. Those faults point out the faults hunters have. Which is accepting those things under the premise that those things is what competition hounds do. Those are things that sorry hounds do and should be corrected or eliminated.

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Bruce as you step up the ladder from the local level to the major $$$ hunts you will need a dog that fits that particular kc's rules and boundaries in ther rules to a tee to be a consistent winner. Local level just a dog that will tree a coon once in a while will win.



Tar

If the majority of comp hunters looked at faults in there hounds as just that instead of a edge to use for a win then a lot of the pleasure hunters i know would start showing up to hunts myself included. I pleasure hunt often with a man who has done his fair share of winning and he has told me numerous times that its just a game that you must enjoy to play win or loose by a better dog or one with a winning edge. Wins or titles in any kc carriers no weight in my view of a dog due to the number of winners i have hunted with that have faults that i cant live with or they need feeders to preform in my area. Breeding winners isn't always breeding coondogs. A coondog should hunt as far as it takes to strike, only open when smelling a coon, only run coon, and stay treed til the hunter arrives at the very least and comp hunts in my mind should show the hound that does them task the best. The rules arent as much of a problem as the handlers who win around them. If a man knows his dog is babbling or running a deer to fall off on a hot coon and uses that to a advantage he isnt a winner or much of a man at all in my opinion he has just lied before God and the other hunters in the world and he has no respect for his self or the other hunters on that cast or in that hunt. I dont care what style of hound a person likes to hunt, if he babbles, or runs trash but what bothers me is taking that dog to hunts and getting credit for wins in a hunt that should show the best COONHOUND in that location on that night when in my mind that dog is at the very lowest standard of coondog which is 'he will tree a coon'. I will follow a hound for as long as i enjoy it but taking it to a hunt has no appeal to me when several big winners are no more than hot nosed culls that have a winning edge

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Tar, the bottom line is the man's standards and what he allows the dog to do or get away with. They all have faults but the higher standards a man has on what a coon dog is. The less faults it will have.

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swampcreek

x2 100%. It almost seems that if you want a comp. hound you need to step 1. buy a puppy from a big name comp. dog step 2. keep him away from other dogs. step 3. read both kc's rule book and train it so the handler/owner can win not the dog but by doing this a person must decide how much honor and pride he is willing to give up to win with that type of dog. not to offend anyone I am not saying this is the case in all dogs or people but it dose happen.

Swampcreekhound

You spoke the truth if it was ever spoken. Thing is these self proclaimed rules of law professors of counterfeit coon hunts could give a rats behind about fairness. They twist and interpret the rules to help themselves win and some of the high ups go along and support them to encourage this is type of dishonesty. Its all about the high $$$ 🐴 $$$ in the game.

Case and 👉, The babbling dog handlers in another kc's hunts are on edge because or one sentence change in wording of babbling rule.
When dogs are struck inside a min and end up treed over a mile away with a opposum, they should get minused at least 3 times.

I rest my case, 😂.

No, I don't ! When you draw out 8 dogs in a cast and put them on scorecard and then over a hour later man and dog on scorecard is not gonna be hunted. Then a spectator that wanted to see withdrew dog in hunt, puts a dog on cast he brought just in case there won't enough dogs to make 2 cast, without changing the dog on cards name, just puts his name as handler of that dog so 💰 will go to toward it. Then some trying to say with their interpretation crap, theres 9 dogs instead of 8. How you get nine dogs on 2 cast , trying to cover for them cheaters. I know, I was there, tried to hide it from newcomer in hunts, but he caught it.

Now the troublemaker, rest. Let me be your, huckleberry, 😂.

My idea of a coon dog is one that hunts for a coon not blow through the country in a dead run but will hunt as far as needed fairly quickly,honest strike dog that finishes their tracks with a coon and doesn't pay attention to other dogs. Find one that doesn't make many mistakes and they're really hard to beat in competition.
Rules will beat them sometimes but I believe they will still win the majority of casts.

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There is no difference in a coon dog and a competition dog to me. I’ve won around 40k with x and he’s nearly silent on the ground. I won cause he’s quick and by his self with a coon most the time. Not because he barks from the time you cut him. Coons win. Speed and accuracy is the name of the game with a score card. You got 2 hours to tree more coons than everyone else. Barking means nothing to me.
I can not put track driving in one but I can speed one up, I can’t make them have coons but I can stop them from treeing. In order to be a trainer you must be able to get the absolute most out of what your leading.

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Originally posted by ole hoss
There is no difference in a coon dog and a competition dog to me. I’ve won around 40k with x and he’s nearly silent on the ground. I won cause he’s quick and by his self with a coon most the time. Not because he barks from the time you cut him. Coons win. Speed and accuracy is the name of the game with a score card. You got 2 hours to tree more coons than everyone else. Barking means nothing to me.
I can not put track driving in one but I can speed one up, I can’t make them have coons but I can stop them from treeing. In order to be a trainer you must be able to get the absolute most out of what your leading.

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