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Posted by Richard Lambert on 06-18-2018 03:24 PM:

Questions Process

When a handler brings back a question, should UKC/MOH require a the handler to first be able to state the rule involved and how he feels that it wasn't followed?

Posted by Dogwhisper on 06-19-2018 07:36 PM:

Most of the times the handler will incriminate him/herself.....letm go first !

Posted by JiM on 06-19-2018 07:53 PM:

It always seemed to me that most questions were about judgements made, not rule questions. Which is probably why so few get overturned.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 06-19-2018 08:47 PM:

So if a handler questions a judgement call and is outvoted in the woods, then he doesn't stand much chance of getting it overturned back at the clubhouse?

Posted by shadinc on 06-19-2018 10:23 PM:

How can a person who is not present have an opinion on a judgment call?

Posted by yadkintar on 06-19-2018 10:37 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by shadinc
How can a person who is not present have an opinion on a judgment call?

You can just slide the trash can out from under the table hold the score card over it and say y'all sure y'all can't work this out among your selfs.

Tar

Posted by Dave Richards on 06-19-2018 10:39 PM:

Shadinc

The same way a judge and jury that were not present during the crime, they listen to the witnesses and make their decision. Dave

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Posted by pamjohnson on 06-20-2018 01:53 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
You can just slide the trash can out from under the table hold the score card over it and say y'all sure y'all can't work this out among your selfs.

Tar

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 06-20-2018 02:08 PM:

Dave, have you ever sat on a panel concerning a judgement call? Every witness has a different story. It usually comes down to who is the best talker or who has the most influence/friends. Or in Mr. Chaz's case, who is the biggest meanest bully.

Posted by JiM on 06-20-2018 04:21 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
You can just slide the trash can out from under the table hold the score card over it and say y'all sure y'all can't work this out among your selfs.

Tar

If the MOH is unwilling to settle a question, why even have an MOH?

Posted by yadkintar on 06-20-2018 04:32 PM:

If I can't see it how in the crap am I going to settle it ? Like we seen a coon in that tree and the others said it was a monkey that kind of question Jim lol. Ask me something on the back of the card I will take care of it.

Tar

Posted by Richard Lambert on 06-20-2018 04:41 PM:

King Solomon could solve it.

Posted by shadinc on 06-20-2018 05:05 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
If I can't see it how in the crap am I going to settle it ? Like we seen a coon in that tree and the others said it was a monkey that kind of question Jim lol. Ask me something on the back of the card I will take care of it.

Tar

This is what I'm talking about, Dave Richards. MOH is clueless about most judgment calls.

Posted by yadkintar on 06-20-2018 05:13 PM:

Oh no you diunt!!! Only thing you can go on is how they voted. I can't see it and it don't pertain to a rule and they won't agree with each other you tell me what you would do then huuuuuuuuh ?

Hit me with ya best shot !!!

Tar

Posted by Donnie Stevens on 06-20-2018 05:25 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
Oh no you diunt!!! Only thing you can go on is how they voted. I can't see it and it don't pertain to a rule and they won't agree with each other you tell me what you would do then huuuuuuuuh ?

Hit me with ya best shot !!!

Tar

Tie vote on a judgement call issue I'd go with the judge Everytime. I give him the card for a reason.

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Posted by yadkintar on 06-20-2018 05:37 PM:

Buuuuut if they don't agree with him they get a vote. So then they tell all us moh that evidently the people that have never moh in their life say we are all big dummies .......... Your fired ...... Lol and you go the hunt director format and they get a panel and they can't make up their mind either ............. Oh my goodness.

I just nipp it in the bud nipp it in the bud Andy style.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 06-20-2018 08:11 PM:

No you pick your card out of the trash and ask for a panel. The MOH doesn't have any authority anymore.

Posted by yadkintar on 06-20-2018 09:04 PM:

Didn't say I dropped it I just dangled it over it lmbo !

Nipp it in the bud !!!

Tar

Posted by chaz2012 on 06-20-2018 10:13 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
No you pick your card out of the trash and ask for a panel. The MOH doesn't have any authority anymore.

Yes they do , you sir no longer have a question because you and your cast have been scratched from the hunt. Now do you want to fight lol

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 06-20-2018 11:27 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by chaz2012
.... Now do you want to fight lol

Why in the World would anyone want to fight just because you did something stupid like scratch their cast? And why would you want to fight. I have never seen someone win a question because they won a fight.

Posted by chaz2012 on 06-21-2018 03:07 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Richard Lambert
Why in the World would anyone want to fight just because you did something stupid like scratch their cast? And why would you want to fight. I have never seen someone win a question because they won a fight.

LOL SOOOO Funny

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Posted by Rip on 06-21-2018 05:34 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Donnie Stevens
Tie vote on a judgement call issue I'd go with the judge Everytime. I give him the card for a reason.

Yes we give the card to him because we know him to be honest, but even he (or me) can make an HONEST mistake. Sometimes we forget that. Nobody is perfect.

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Posted by Donnie Stevens on 06-21-2018 05:55 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Rip
Yes we give the card to him because we know him to be honest, but even he (or me) can make an HONEST mistake. Sometimes we forget that. Nobody is perfect.

Agreed. And limiting the mistakes made to honest ones is a pretty good place to start.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 06-21-2018 01:30 PM:

When different handlers have different opinions on a judgement call, is it a "mistake"? Who is to say which one is right or wrong? After all they are just different judgements or opinions.
Now when they have different opinions on what a rule says or how it should be interpreted that is a different story.

Posted by jawscardodger on 06-21-2018 06:27 PM:

What do you do when the honest judge says one thing in the woods then talks to his buddy on the way to the club house and has a new story

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