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Posted by rooster731 on 04-14-2018 05:11 PM:

Another scoring question

4 dog cast dog A struck and treed. Dog B,C,D shut out on strike. Dog B an C are treed. 5 expires and dog D is treed afterwards. Upon arriving dog A is alone and other 3 are together. I know B an C move up to 125 and 75 tree as they were. As judge i put D in at 125 and minus him immediatly for being on closed tree. Cast argues including guy leading that a dog shut out shouldnt go in for 125. The 3 of them agreed he went in for next available with a line thru it. It wasnt gonna affect hunt either way as it was over at this point so no need to argue all night. Looking back and readin the book this morning im thinking he should have been minused 125 then awarded next available an scored accordinvly.


Posted by Dogwhisper on 04-14-2018 05:38 PM:

U ran 5 on 1 tree .even thou u had 2 trees to score.
I understand a''s tree had xpired .
U arrive and find b,c, & d split after a's tree was closed.
Hmmmmmmm

How can u justify minusing D"s tree ? It's split. Did u put a separate 5 on b & c tree ?


Posted by Richard Lambert on 04-14-2018 05:40 PM:

The "other three" need to read the rules on the back of the card. It is fairly straightforward. I don't understand why handlers don't do that. They would rather score situations the way they "think" that they should be scored instead of just turning the card over and reading the rule.


Posted by rooster731 on 04-14-2018 05:45 PM:

Rule 4k dog will be scored as a split that it left then scored on closed tree. Thats 125 minus then scored accordingly the way i see it. No need to run a seperate 5 on any especially since we all thought they were together till we were nearly to them


Posted by Dogwhisper on 04-14-2018 06:13 PM:

There u go thinking again.....u minused D, based on A tree time .....


Posted by rooster731 on 04-14-2018 06:50 PM:

Running 5 on D was irrevelant. By the rule he is implied split when found on B an C tree he is minused his 125 and scored with them. Would it have been any different if i had ran a 5 on D and found him at B an C tree before his 5 was up. How bout found him there after his 5 was up. Running 5 on dog D is a moot point. He left implied split tree


Posted by joey on 04-14-2018 08:00 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rooster731
Running 5 on D was irrevelant. By the rule he is implied split when found on B an C tree he is minused his 125 and scored with them. Would it have been any different if i had ran a 5 on D and found him at B an C tree before his 5 was up. How bout found him there after his 5 was up. Running 5 on dog D is a moot point. He left implied split tree


He is asking had it been 5 min sense dog B had treed. He is saying that because D was not found on dog A's tree then it treeing after his 5 is irrelevant because he wasn't found treed with dog A. He was treed on dog B's tree, so did dog D tree 5 min after dog B was treed in?

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Posted by rooster731 on 04-14-2018 08:04 PM:

Yes 5 was up on dog B.


Posted by Dogwhisper on 04-14-2018 10:05 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by rooster731
Yes 5 was up on dog B.

How convenient.....lol


Posted by rooster731 on 04-14-2018 10:16 PM:

Whats convenient ? B and C were on dog A 5 from 800 yards and a 25 mph wind there was no way to tell they were split. Dog D was pitched with a minute left in the hunt. We were another 8 or 10 minutes walking to them. Do you have anything to say worth hearing or just being hard to deal with?


Posted by Ryan Karl on 04-14-2018 10:27 PM:

Who is to say b and C didn’t move to D’s tree.

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Posted by rooster731 on 04-14-2018 10:34 PM:

Could have but if dog D had been treed that quick he should have been treed in inside the 5.


Posted by KevinP on 04-14-2018 10:50 PM:

Sounds like a cluster.


Posted by rooster731 on 04-14-2018 10:54 PM:

It was one of those situations that seldom come up where everyone scratches their head. Fortunately it didnt affect the outcome. Everyone left satisfied but still wondering


Posted by Dogwhisper on 04-14-2018 11:07 PM:

What I have to say has already been said .Your revision does make a different nontheless .


Posted by JiM on 04-15-2018 01:05 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Ryan Karl
Who is to say b and C didn’t move to D’s tree.

Ryan, that is exactly why UKC put rule 4(k) in the rulebook. That rule says we won't be arguing about who moved, we just minus the dog called treed after the tree is closed unless that dog is split. That's the rule.

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Posted by Richard Lambert on 04-16-2018 04:17 PM:

Oh my goodness, rule plainly states that if you tree your dog after tree is closed then he better be on a tree by himself or he will be minused 125.....no ifs ands, buts or maybes. Rule was put in place to stop all of the arguing and lawyering. And yet some are still trying to argue.


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