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Posted by Nathan Pruitt on 01-09-2018 03:25 PM:

Good dog gone bad

I have a 3 year old walker male who has fell flat on his face. I was pushing him in the hunts and winning the majority of my cast by treeing coons, before he was about an 80% accurate hound now I'm lucky to see 4 coons outta ten trees. This has all happened within the last month. Any one else experienced anything like this or know what it could be. I WOULD HAVE called him a finished dog. He acts fine, weight is good etc. Still will bust a hole in the dark he just isn't accurate anymore. Thank you for reading.

Posted by novicane65 on 01-09-2018 03:34 PM:

Some dogs perform well in winter, some summer, some fall and spring. I'd say if you keep him going and work him through his rough spell he'll be fine. Its dry here with powdery snow. Been below zero temps here. But take into consideration of the weather and the moisture content of the ground.

Posted by MARSHALL AYERS on 01-09-2018 04:15 PM:

Keep him out of the hunts for a while. Might be going through a spell of pure competiveness. Try hunting him alone and correcting him for a month or two until he is back to where he was.

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Posted by Jgarrett on 01-09-2018 04:42 PM:

Who really knows but I would start with a trip to the vet and get a tick panel done. This is how it starts and goes down from there. Catching it early is better than waiting until they are completely down.

Btw I’ve had 2 come back positive in February down let it being winter fool you.

Posted by dbpro56 on 01-09-2018 04:53 PM:

Go have his thyroid checked! There will be guys who scoff at this, but I experienced what you've experienced, and I know first hand about my dog. Mine was a big hunting dog, who got to where he wouldn't get out about 100 yards, and would seem satisfied to tree a opossum or a slick. When I had him checked, his levels were almost non existent. Took about 3 weeks on meds, and he went back to normal.

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Posted by mwilkins on 01-09-2018 05:04 PM:

I had the same problem out of my NITECH female this year. Took her to the vet thinking it was her thyroid, but found out she has lymes disease and one other tick transmitted disease. One week on the medicine prescribed by the vet and her problem was fixed. Needless to say, I am glad to have her back healthy and consistently having coons. Going to the vet was expensive, but was well worth it. I also know of another hunter in my area who had the same issue with his dog and it ended up being lymes disease.

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Posted by Lynn Tubbs on 01-10-2018 12:19 AM:

If he was mine, first thing I would do is get him check for low thyroid, if that was ok, I would lay him up for a couple of weeks. I know that sounds silly but I have seen that work several times. I do not know why that works but it does.

Posted by oklared on 01-10-2018 02:00 AM:

SWITCH HIM AND SEND HIM ON OFF THOSE SLICK TREE'S

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Posted by MIKE CARDER on 01-10-2018 02:18 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jgarrett
Who really knows but I would start with a trip to the vet and get a tick panel done. This is how it starts and goes down from there. Catching it early is better than waiting until they are completely down.

Btw I’ve had 2 come back positive in February down let it being winter fool you.

I would say you are right on this. Had a beagle get Erlicia in February, cold out to. and a coonhound get the same thing with snow on the ground. Ticks are terrible. Tick panel. Catch it early.

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Posted by thomasg on 01-11-2018 02:59 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by oklared
SWITCH HIM AND SEND HIM ON OFF THOSE SLICK TREE'S

NOT ENOUGH LIMBS ON THE TREES TO CURE A SLICK TREEING HOUND .SENDING THEM ON .LOL . NEVER WORK IN 100 YEARS .TRIED IT MANY TIMES WITH MORE DOGS THAN I CARE TO ADMIT. IF ANYTHING SWITCHING THEM JUST MADE ME FEEL BETTER.LOL. YOU EITHER LEARN TO LIVE WITH THE FAULT OR MOVE ON TO A NEW DOG .AT 3 YEARS OLD SUDDEN CHANGE IN BEHAVIOR IF YOU GAVE US A HONEST DESCRIPTION OF YOUR PROBLEM A VET VISIT IS YOUR BEST OPTION .

Posted by oklared on 01-11-2018 03:23 PM:

SWITCHING WILL WORK UNLESS YOUR HUNTING A TOTAL IDEOT, THEY KNOW THE COON IS NOT THERE, THEY JUST WANT TO PULL THE TRIGGER TOO QUICK

Posted by shadinc on 01-11-2018 03:29 PM:

If they know the coon is not there and still tree, something is missing.

Posted by oklared on 01-11-2018 05:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by shadinc
If they know the coon is not there and still tree, something is missing.

THATS WHAT IM SAYIN, THEY ARE HURRING OR SOMETHING, ITS LIKE TREEIN A POSSUM , THEY NOW BETTER, SWITCH EM

Posted by shadinc on 01-11-2018 06:02 PM:

It's not at all like treeing a possum. A possum has scent. What is he smelling when there's only fresh air in the tree?

Posted by MR.RATMAN on 01-11-2018 06:15 PM:

I battled the same issue went to the vet and he had Erchlicia

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Posted by yadkinriver on 01-11-2018 08:54 PM:

Nathan I have seen dogs burn out just like you described from too much competition. If the dog checks out clean just ry pleasure hunting him a while. Never know, might just work.

Posted by yadkintar on 01-12-2018 01:05 PM:

No way am I an authority but in the past I have fixed a lot of dogs no one else could not many if any dogs are finished dogs at three yrs old and not many if any dogs at 6 yrs old can handle all the bs they encounter in the hunts 3 or 4 nights a week ignoring trashy dogs , getting face barked on every tree , ect that's why most the big consistant winners you see have some age on them and if they get to loosing cast regularly the take them out and give them a break............. Sounds like your dog needs a break just you and him roll a few out to him when he has them get on to him when he don't but make it fun for him again he will be ok.

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Posted by oklared on 01-12-2018 02:58 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by shadinc
It's not at all like treeing a possum. A possum has scent. What is he smelling when there's only fresh air in the tree?

THE POINT IS IT IS LIKE TREEIN A POSSUM, THEY NO BETTER.

Posted by oklared on 01-12-2018 03:02 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
No way am I an authority but in the past I have fixed a lot of dogs no one else could not many if any dogs are finished dogs at three yrs old and not many if any dogs at 6 yrs old can handle all the bs they encounter in the hunts 3 or 4 nights a week ignoring trashy dogs , getting face barked on every tree , ect that's why most the big consistant winners you see have some age on them and if they get to loosing cast regularly the take them out and give them a break............. Sounds like your dog needs a break just you and him roll a few out to him when he has them get on to him when he don't but make it fun for him again he will be ok.

Tar

Posted by Nathan Pruitt on 01-12-2018 07:31 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by thomasg
NOT ENOUGH LIMBS ON THE TREES TO CURE A SLICK TREEING HOUND .SENDING THEM ON .LOL . NEVER WORK IN 100 YEARS .TRIED IT MANY TIMES WITH MORE DOGS THAN I CARE TO ADMIT. IF ANYTHING SWITCHING THEM JUST MADE ME FEEL BETTER.LOL. YOU EITHER LEARN TO LIVE WITH THE FAULT OR MOVE ON TO A NEW DOG .AT 3 YEARS OLD SUDDEN CHANGE IN BEHAVIOR IF YOU GAVE US A HONEST DESCRIPTION OF YOUR PROBLEM A VET VISIT IS YOUR BEST OPTION .

I'm not exactly sure what you mean in an "honest description" why would I get on a forum of guys who I have never met asking for help and not be honest about the situation? I took him to vet the day before I posted this. He was heartworm negative and thyroid was good. Awaiting the tick panel.

Posted by Nathan Pruitt on 01-12-2018 07:33 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
No way am I an authority but in the past I have fixed a lot of dogs no one else could not many if any dogs are finished dogs at three yrs old and not many if any dogs at 6 yrs old can handle all the bs they encounter in the hunts 3 or 4 nights a week ignoring trashy dogs , getting face barked on every tree , ect that's why most the big consistant winners you see have some age on them and if they get to loosing cast regularly the take them out and give them a break............. Sounds like your dog needs a break just you and him roll a few out to him when he has them get on to him when he don't but make it fun for him again he will be ok.

Tar

Very wise words. Thank you brother!

Posted by yadkintar on 01-12-2018 07:34 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by yadkintar
No way am I an authority but in the past I have fixed a lot of dogs no one else could not many if any dogs are finished dogs at three yrs old and not many if any dogs at 6 yrs old can handle all the bs they encounter in the hunts 3 or 4 nights a week ignoring trashy dogs , getting face barked on every tree , ect that's why most the big consistant winners you see have some age on them and if they get to loosing cast regularly the take them out and give them a break............. Sounds like your dog needs a break just you and him roll a few out to him when he has them get on to him when he don't but make it fun for him again he will be ok.

Tar

Posted by Donnie Stevens on 01-12-2018 07:57 PM:

Is he opening on tracks before he makes all these slicks or is he just falling treed ? There must be something else different in the way he's operating now besides there being no coon in the trees. If the answers to those are no I'd put him up for a month and hope it acts as a reset.

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Posted by KJO on 01-12-2018 09:55 PM:

Test for thyroid problems

Have his thyroid checked, I was told that it is a common problem in some bloodlines like Zeb, Wipeout and others ???

Posted by Roy Grant on 01-13-2018 02:01 AM:

I had a certain line of dogs that acted exactly like you are describing. It was a light switch came on, it happened over night. Pm me what line of dog he is.

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