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Mountain bred hounds

Just wondering what kind of hound it takes in the mountains of Virginia,West Virginia, eastern Kentucky, North Carolina, eastern Tennessee and that area of the country to consistently tree coon year around in that terrain?

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I don't think there is any perfect hound for this country because every guy wants somthing different but for me the common trait/traits is nose and accuracy. That being said I've had more that made good hounds than not, I prefer a dog with nose,brains, accuracy, a decent mouth, ability to rig and a handle is a huge plus. I don't need a dog to blow out of the country but can't have one just stand at my feet either. Have an English female that I started from a pup that fits my whole bill and I'm very lucky for she is Wilcox and briar creek bred, starting a little bluetick male off bo Dotson's smokey dog now that is turning out nice and also hunted several off Shannon senters male bluetick blaze that I liked a lot. I had an English male that died last year that was heavy Wilcox bred and was a very nice hound but had more go than I cared for some nights. All these lines have had the nose and accuracy that it takes for thinner coon where you can't pass up tracks looking for a hot pop up, taking aged tracks to the meat consistently. We also have miles of national forest and that's where the rigging ability comes in and is a huge plus also.

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I have hunted these mountains all my life. I'm 43 years old. Been coon hunting since I was 8. Back then we had no GPS, E-collars, or cell phones. You stopped, listened, walked. Watched were you were going and remembered where you'd been. Hunted my dad's dogs. Never really had one of my own. When I did finally start hunting my own dog he was a mixed dog. (Norwegian. X Walker X English). Best coon hound I ever owned because he was a mountain dog like no other. If a coon went over a highwall on a strip mine he would go around until he found a place to get up come around on top. Pick up the track and go on and tree it. When he treed you could cock your gun. Here is where I hunt. Wv mountains are rough. Creek beds are full of laurel. Logging and strip mining makes it tough. It doesn't take a special kind of dog here, just have to train them a little different. I have some good hounds now. They were raised here, trained here, hunted here. I'm hunting dogs off of Hardwood Bean, Big Money, Feelin' Big. I have made several crosses. The Bean blood works really good for me here.

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Where's them varmints? I'm starved out. Hey, mountain man! What's for supper?

I started Raffles Billy Jo and put 3 of the wins on her to make Gr.Nite Champion, Her Nite Champion wins were 3 first place wins. Back then the hunts were a lot bigger then they are now, Billy and a lot of her offspring are in the Hall of Fame. Bred her to Wilcoxs Bingo and out came Gr. Nite Champion Michigan Swamp Rooster ( Hall of Fame). We also bred her to Hank Horn's World Champion Timber Star Buck, and out came Gr. Nite Champion Pine Knob Dorango, he was the first dog to produce a All Grand English litter. I hunted this line of dogs from Vermont to Florida and all states in between, they got the nose, track and the treeing ability, they can wind a coon off the back of truck and go tree it and never put there nose on the ground, they are as good as any breed of dog out there, they are just not a popular as the Walkers.........

MY EXTRA TRASHY DEPRESSION ERA SPORTSMAN HOUNDS WORK PRETTY GOOD HERE THE OZARKS HAVE HUNTED YA'LLS COUNTRY MANY TIMES IN THE PAST,SAME CRITERIA FOR ME BRAINS, NOSE, ACCURACY AND MOST IMPORTANT TO ME IS HANDLING,RIGGING, ROADING, AND NO GET DEEP QUICK WHEN FREE CASTING 1/4-1/2 MILE THEN CHECK IN WE LOAD UP AND GO SOMEPLACE ELSE. JMHO

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IMHO in the mountains around here you need a track dog more than a tree dog. But there's a mixture of both when you go to hunts. So I guess it's up to the person leading the hound.

Regardless of how fast, how slow, how loud, how independent, or any other detail, here in my mountains there's only one thing that counts and matters, and that's ACCURACY

None of them are perfect. But these hills are too steep to have a tolerance for slick treeing.

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Then a RAT dog might not work out for you......

Hey Donnie, what is the biggest coon you ever caught up in that country?

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In my opinion breed doesn't matter..the dog just needs to be raised in the mountains to be a mountain dog,all the dogs I have seen that were coon treeing machines up north come down here and don't know what to do,but I'm sure if I took my dog up north she would be the same way...just need a dog that's not scared to keep going as far as it must to find a coon...I have had a dog from every breed in my lifetime and in MY OPONION a plott dog has more endurance and stamina in the mountains..I own an English dog that is becoming one of the best I have had but I'm also training a plott that I expect to be just as good.

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Track dogs that tree. Medium to deep hunting, but hunts the whole way out. Big mouth so you can hear em over the hills and through the hollers. With a good handle. Above all accurate. Mine is out of Mr Eddie Harris' rock river frankie g, which makes him a cord grandpup. His momma is a country coon dog that goes back to x Jr, and some coma blood. He's what I described above, and I hunt him in the Ozarks/Boston mountains.

I have always sorta thought a tight mouthed track dog would work good in that terrain, because of all the holes and caves. It has to take guts and heart of both dog and hunter to keep hunting there year after year.

I would bet a tight mouth would help, but as for myself, I love to hear a hounds progression on a track. I like to be able to gauge the track by the dogs mouth. I love hearing them warm one up and hit the wood with that big locate, instead of a bark or two.

When the kittens are gone, and the dumb ones are dead! Those quick tree dogs don't work out to well, yeah if you hunt feeders they do pretty well but in the wild not so much. You better have a dog that HUNTS, and can work a track, or your going to walk to a lot of slicks and a lot of dens. When the cold weather comes that's when you see what kind of dog you got. They got to have DESIRE, got to GO HUNTING, and got to have a decent NOSE, or them long walks start getting old FAST!!!

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I have one that came from the Mountains and Mongo is his name and some say he is insane. When I first got him to FL he wasn't sure about two things. All these Dillars and all this land covered in water. He liked to get on a creek bank and hunt it till he found a coon. He found out down here that most of our hunting ground is like the bottom of a creek. Under water. He adjusted well after frustrating me. The frustration came from me seeing how good he could be if he just learned to understand our conditions. He is a hard headed driven hound that has nothing but treeing a coon on his mind. He has been in several states since I have had him and has performed well. He makes IL and IN coon look easy. East TN coon are no problem for him and he hustles hard down here and has the drive to tree plenty.

Down here it totally different from the mountains with one exception. It is not easy in either place to get from where you cut the dog loose to where they tree. So they better have a coon or a smart man won't own the hound long.

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I grew up in Bradshaw Wva, hunted and ran those mountains a long time. JMO it takes a special type of hound to tree coon there anytime of the year. Gotta have a nose with alot of drive n heart to tree coon in the places i hunted growing up.

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I grew up in Bradshaw Wva, hunted and ran those mountains a long time. JMO it takes a special type of hound to tree coon there anytime of the year. Gotta have a nose with alot of drive n heart to tree coon in the places i hunted growing up.

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IMO

It doesn't take as much a special breed or dog as it does a special type person. I've seen many different hounds of different breeds go here in WV with good success but it takes a die hard coon hunter to commit to this type of hunting. I have hunted these hills and hollers for better than 50 years now and still enjoy it but it does take it's toll on one's body. The type of hound I like to cut loose in this country should have drive, stamina, a big mouth to carry if they get out of the holler and over the ridge, and an honest accurate tree dog that will stay as long as it takes to get to them. Getting to the tree doesn't take near as long as it did years ago (tracking systems). Many times I would search half or most of the night to find ole Blue treed in the old days so staying there till I arrive is paramount! I also like a good nose on a hound to pick up those old feed tracks we get late in the fall and also in rutting season. I want them to end up on a tree. My dogs will hunt the coon and I will find the dog. If you don't want to go for a hike, I'd suggest not hunting in my part of the country although there are easy ones once and a while but as the season goes on, they are scarce.