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Posted by Mike Knuckols on 09-29-2017 09:37 PM:

What constitutes "thin coon " ?

ive been wondering about the quality of my dogs for 20 years and everyone elses for that matter . I keep hearing we hunt in thin coons all the time . I have about an 800 acre lease with 14 deer feeders running on it . All of them have trail cameras and we are getting pictures of 2 to 3 coons on everyone of them at the same time . putting the coon population there at I would say at least 50 coons 1 coon per 16 acres . This is in east texas . I hunt there with my hounds maybe once a week on 4 wheelers and I usually tree 1 and sometimes 2 coons . occasionally we will tree more . My deep hunting dogs may stretch out and race down a pipeline before they cut in is usually the problem . I set live traps near my home at highways where I cant hunt and have caught 80 coons in the last 2 years from the same 3 spots . It seems to me that in east Texas between the Louisiana line and Longview Texas we are very thick in coons and that the modern deep and lonely jealous type dogs today would rather blow past 5 coons just to get away from the other dogs has us thinking we have thin coons . So if the Midwest is considered thick coons how many coons do they have per 800 acre or per 16 acres ?

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Posted by Mike Knuckols on 09-29-2017 09:41 PM:

and in this 20 year period I have had some really stout hounds but have only 2 of them that would stop and tree nearly every coon out there that was or had been moving . 1 was a solid white hound with a lemon head that was single registered and the other was out of Mark Whatley's old Ready hound . I wished I had crossed the 2 and I don't have anything from either 1 of them only memories

Posted by swamp1 on 09-29-2017 10:17 PM:

32 coons per 16acres sounds bout right. Down here bout 1 coon every 300 acres if that or 1 per bucket or feeder.

Posted by Billy George on 09-29-2017 10:37 PM:

Thin coon get more exercise,thick coon fall out of the tree into a corn field,eat,maybe waddle to the creek and get a drink and crawl right back up....

Coon in every tree in iowa.... lol....

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Posted by Mike Knuckols on 09-29-2017 10:37 PM:

Wow I just returned from hunting in Athol Kansas not far from the Nebraska line . Really big coons and plenty of them they say . We had big races and treed 7 in two nights on 10 drops . The 2nd night was tough sounded like what happened at World hunt . We saw coons sitting up . I believe that only a special few dogs tree a true lay up coon that hasn't been down and these other are just pop ups . My dog Ranger circled an area for 25 minutes as I was watching on the alpha so we drove around and in the exact spot on his tracks there were 3 sitting in a big cottonwood den . Had the wind not been 40 mph I'd say he may have pin pointed them . I don't think it matters where I hunt I don't think I'm gonna tree more than 3 in 2 hours and I'm gonna walk my guts out anyway .

Posted by joey on 09-29-2017 11:29 PM:

Mike what you are describing I would call a low medium population. I guess its all opinion on what constitutes thick and thin coon. The places I have hunted that I would call thick you are running one every 100 yards or closer. I hunted the Sam Houston national Forrest a lot when I lived down there. You could dump out on one sometimes but normally it was 1/2 to 1 mile to get struck unless you found something they were concentrated on feeding. Those in my mind were thin coon.

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Posted by Mike Knuckols on 09-30-2017 12:24 AM:

I drive 700 miles one way to pleasure hunt in Kansas mainly to visit with a coon hunting friend and in Kansas the coons are huge and a dog actually can get in on a scalding 1 to 2 mile race in those Milo / corn / bean fields . Here we actually just trail up a coon and tree it . My cousin lives in Crocket Texas on a 4500 acre cattle ranch with no dog pressure and it's nice hunting but when we hit the national forest where there is pressure they go deep with the exception that on the public land there are a lot of coons but they work the graveyard shift . They move after midnight .

Posted by Mike Knuckols on 09-30-2017 12:30 AM:

What I think separates the dog power today is the recut . When a dog trees one you make them hunt on in the same woods instead of picking up and moving . A dogs percentage goes down a bit . I think that happens in the big hunts where they go to a big section and hunt the whole time without moving

Posted by Ths74 on 09-30-2017 01:48 AM:

50 coon per 800 acres is not thin coon. I would consider that a coonhunting paradise , and i am from Michigan.

Posted by Mike Knuckols on 09-30-2017 02:03 AM:

I'm thinking it's thick myself . It doesn't seem to matter where I am hunting 2 to 3 coons in 2 hours seems to be a good hunt . Those Kansas coons can cover some ground . Maybe if the coons had fed then layed up right before you get there a dog would tree more .

Posted by Donnie Stevens on 09-30-2017 05:29 AM:

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Originally posted by Mike Knuckols
What I think separates the dog power today is the recut . When a dog trees one you make them hunt on in the same woods instead of picking up and moving . A dogs percentage goes down a bit . I think that happens in the big hunts where they go to a big section and hunt the whole time without moving

Mike you said a mouthful there. Twenty years ago you called time and moved three or four times to new ground. Now ya don't and it changes the game.

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Posted by blueticker on 09-30-2017 08:24 AM:

Kansas wildlife & parks estimate 40 coon per square mile. Sure can make for some enjoyable hunts. One night 3 years ago Jerrold Parker & I treed 26 trees with coon. 6 pm until 6 am

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Posted by Mike Knuckols on 09-30-2017 10:43 AM:

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Originally posted by blueticker
Kansas wildlife & parks estimate 40 coon per square mile. Sure can make for some enjoyable hunts. One night 3 years ago Jerrold Parker & I treed 26 trees with coon. 6 pm until 6 am

Wow ! When I go to Kansas we strike immediately it seems but those big bandits run like Cheetahs especially when they hit the Milo lol . My dogs would bite me if I cut them that many times . As I stated earlier I drive 700 mike's 1 way just to pleasure hunt with Rob Ocker . No briars snakes or aligaters . It seems they strike so quick that we rarely split tree but Old Ranger will drop out of a race and tree one laid up . Kansas coon hunters are blessed . Here at home my dogs scatter and split up an 1 drop ends in 2 or 3 trees and on the recut it ends in another split and another mile apart from each other with each dog scoring on 2 in 2 hours . A good score that wins here would be 300+ give or take a few . I'll be hunting tonight in Yadkintars woods and we will see how we fair there .

Posted by CONRAD FRYAR on 09-30-2017 12:56 PM:

Mike are you hunting Hardwood Ranger?

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Posted by Mike Knuckols on 09-30-2017 01:15 PM:

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Originally posted by CONRAD FRYAR
Mike are you hunting Hardwood Ranger?

Yes I am those Georgia dogs You and Arlen keep sending me suit me fine .I've won 4 out of 6 hunts with him treed 65 coons 6 dens 7 slicks since January . My other Dog is Extra Man he is out of Briar Cliff Drum and My NtCh grandaughter of Stylish Clover . She is 10 I'd love to cross her with Ranger . A grandson of Swamp X Grandaughter of Stylish Clover might be something . If she doesn't come in again I'll be looking for a coon treeing female .

Posted by ItsOlMander on 09-30-2017 02:45 PM:

I'd like to know how to or where to find the information from the state on approx how many coon per square mile.... I can't seem to find the info on myfwc.com

I know even if there are deer feeders, coons are hard to come by in nwfl. With the best dogs you'd be hard pressed to make tree after tree here even in the best areas...

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Posted by brent springer on 09-30-2017 02:56 PM:

under weight, ribs showing, sometimes course or thin hair.....

Posted by Roy Grant on 10-01-2017 02:08 AM:

Brent you beat me to it. LOL

Posted by Mike Knuckols on 10-02-2017 01:15 AM:

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Originally posted by brent springer
under weight, ribs showing, sometimes course or thin hair.....

now that's funny

Posted by blue blue on 10-02-2017 01:27 AM:

Would say anywhere you hunt regularly for 3 to 4 hours with decent dogs and rarely tree more than one or two coon. That describes my hunting but that�s what I grew up with and am use to. When corn is in and at certain times we may tree more but most hunts here a couple of coon is a good night.

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Posted by George pouliott on 10-02-2017 02:37 AM:

Thin coon

I use 55 gallon drums lay them on their side keep most the bait dry . But I've got 3 barrels out in 1000 acres and never see more then one coon at a time on a bucket . And I'm feeding donuts cherry cakes bread corn sweet rolls everything they could want . Dog has to hunt here to make it .

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Posted by blueticker on 10-02-2017 07:01 AM:

Kansas coon can be hard runners. Tonight we had two 14 month old litter mates & a 13 month old. They ran one in a duck marsh for an hour and stretched him out. Treed one in a pecan grove at 550 yds and the last turn out got treed just over 600 yds. Everybody got to see that one. Some of the nicest young dogs I 've had in a very long time. We do have enough coon to make a hound get right. I hunted 50 or so nights last winter and treed over 250 trees with coon. Hope these two 13 month old hounds are well on their way to being coondog by March. They have treed over 30 the past two weeks. Never had a coon feeder and really don't need one.

Posted by Pastor Mike on 10-02-2017 07:24 PM:

A few years ago, I was road hunting my old dog. He was really good at it. One night.....I roaded him over 7 miles straight until he struck a track. This was on national forest. Thin or thick...you can be the judge.

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Posted by thomasg on 10-03-2017 02:10 AM:

when walks are measured by a mile or more ya might be hunting in thin coon . measured in yards thick coon .

Posted by Mike Knuckols on 10-03-2017 02:15 AM:

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Originally posted by thomasg
when walks are measured by a mile or more ya might be hunting in thin coon . measured in yards thick coon .

Dog may be a goer like mine . He gets away from me quick likes a pipeline and will not go the direction I want lol . He remembers where that running coon hands out . It's a personal thing between him and that red colored coon

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