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Posted by Ozark Hillbilly on 09-26-2017 05:50 PM:

The great north south debate

What IF.... you lived in the north and had to move south? Or vice versa? What happens to your hounds? You take em behind the barn and shoot em? Sell em? I mean, they're useless where youre going right? Why take them with you? Yeah id bring em with me too.... Cause I got a decent hound. He trees thin coons in rough conditions. Plus hes real smart, so i feel after a couple days in thick coon, he would adapt. Plus I love the heck out of him, and always does me a good job. Mostly. Cause he ain't perfect. He's just a dog. I'd love to try him everywhere. It gets old hunting the same territory. You guys should thank your lucky stars yall are packing the heat to get you to the world. All you guys are winners to me. Yall all had the grit to train, hunt, and get your hound to the WORLD. Hat's off! Oh.. before you ask, no, I didn't, couldn't, go to the world. All yalls dogs are better than mine. North or south! 😂😂

Posted by JiM on 09-26-2017 09:03 PM:

If you live in the south and move north, you shoot'em.
If you live in the north and move south, you go right on hunting'em.

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Posted by yadkintar on 09-26-2017 09:15 PM:

We can't ride buggys down here Jim ! I wanna come north lol !!

Posted by BigContry on 09-26-2017 09:44 PM:

I would welcome the north with open arms, I'm tired of Pine thickets, cutovers, or mud and water up to your knees, and 90 deg nights. But South Louisiana is the hand I was dealt, so I'll keep on fighting it.

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Posted by Doug Robinson on 09-27-2017 01:08 AM:

North South

You know I love the land I was brought up around as do outdoor men that live anywhere. You have family, tradition, and adapt to your surroundings. I watch these TV shows of folks livin way up in the Alaskan Range with cold and ice and folks in the South with the heat, swamps, gators and snakes and I say how do they do it and enjoy it.

Dogs get accustomed to the land and availability of game and you hunt them the way you want to hunt where you hunt. Go North or South just like people they have to adjust. I don't care where it is I just love a good smart sensible hound with desire and drive that wants to tree coon and please me. It could be North or South. I just have to laugh when the Northern boys say there aint no coon in the South and the Southern boys think we have coon fallin out of trees LOL. I will be huntin these speckled dogs till I cant get around and then some. Gosh I would love to show anybody from the South our big hardwoods and ravines and love to go for a hunt when I visit my sis down in Tenesee this fall! North or South we are a coonhuntin brotherhood.

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Posted by shadinc on 09-27-2017 01:10 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by BigContry
I would welcome the north with open arms, I'm tired of Pine thickets, cutovers, or mud and water up to your knees, and 90 deg nights. But South Louisiana is the hand I was dealt, so I'll keep on fighting it.

Tommy, you forgot to mention snakes, alligators, mosquitos, and leaves on trees 11 months of the year.

Posted by Rick St.Clair on 09-27-2017 01:12 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
If you live in the south and move north, you shoot'em.
If you live in the north and move south, you go right on hunting'em.

You got that one

Posted by shadinc on 09-27-2017 01:15 AM:

How can hunting in thick coon be much different from hunting feeders?

Posted by STROKIN on 09-27-2017 01:17 AM:

I moved from Michigan to southern Arkansas. Only had one dog and it didn't phase her a bit. Me on the other hand, wore me out. Ive been here for 9 years now and this is got to be some of the worst coon hunting I've ever seen. Pine thickets. I've finally found some hard woods and now ride on a four wheeler.

The dog I have now does decent around here but when I took her to Illinois, she looked awesome. Some dogs are just bred for thick coon. Others are bred for thin coon

Posted by George pouliott on 09-27-2017 02:05 AM:

North South

It's my understanding that a dog brought North for any long period of time the thinner air is the real problem compared to the south mostly on an older dog . Now I'm talking a month or longer . And the opposite for a northern dog coming south it doesn't seem to effect them . I have seen dog's loose weight and get sickly because of it . Then some it never bothers . But I'm also saying far south Georgia Florida Alabama going to New York Indiana places like that . 2 completely different climates . But don't for one second think a northern dog won't come down here and run hot **** water for a couple weeks while it adjust . Then the breaking begins again armadillo / hogs everywhere we have bear and so much small game it'll make and does have people pill their hair out or quit all together . I have gotten dog's from several states but most haven't performed how I like down here . It stays green yea I cut grass in December the underbrush is thick the swamps are deep and unlike the North nothing hibernates here sure they go dormant for a few weeks at best . Now a dog that can perform outstanding anywhere is a sure nuff keeper . I have dog's that don't quite suit me buy May be a northerners dream . But since majority of dog's come from up North including anything with giant hills or mountains even what some consider the south just don't seem to be built / bred for these conditions here .

Just my opinion though it's not worth much .

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Posted by yadkintar on 09-27-2017 02:12 AM:

Used to haul 8 to 10 head to autum oaks every year sure nuff coon treers to sell to hide hunters wouldn't be there four hours all were picked up a paid good money for but they made their money back on hides and then some they liked them from down here.

Posted by Clif Owen on 09-27-2017 02:34 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
If you live in the south and move north, you shoot'em.
If you live in the north and move south, you go right on hunting'em.

I don't suppose you'd be will to explain the why of that would you? My limited experience showed that to be the opposite.
For example: Lee Weatherford bought the Snac Pac dog in 1989. Jerry Winn found him in one of the upper Midwest states. At the time; he was 14 months old; had 4 Nite Ch. wins but 5 win slips. 1 was thrown out for some reason. We hunted that dog 32 nights straight and he treed exactly 1 coon, And laid him up. Don't think he could trail one. On the other hand; Lee sold several dogs to guys up north and I don't recall any issues with the better ones. A sorry dog is exactly that though.

Posted by H.W. Moore on 09-27-2017 02:54 AM:

I believe Indiana, Ohio & illinois have a subspecies of coon who have no desire to run far or hide well. I don't think less of northern dogs brought south, When an animal leaves prime habitat with high population of coon and better weather it's gonna take a lot of adjusting & most will eventually get accustomed.

Posted by Redneck Mafia on 09-27-2017 03:28 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
If you live in the south and move north, you shoot'em.
If you live in the north and move south, you go right on hunting'em.

Lol your kidding right have you lost your mind. I seen with my own eyes more times than I can count absolutely top dogs in the north brought to SW Mo that have no idea how to go find a coon. Without a fence row, which some can't cross, a creek or corn field edge to guide them they have no idea how to go find a coon. Turn them loose in the hills of hundreds of acres of nothing but thick timber and they are lost on what to do. I have 6mo old pups that hunt harder and can go find a coon to run and tree better than many from the north. I'm not saying there aren't some that can and adjust well but as a rule it's alot easier for southern dogs to adjust to the norths terrain and more coons than a dog from the north to know how to hunt to find them in the South.

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Posted by Ron Moore on 09-27-2017 03:06 PM:

Hide Hunters

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Originally posted by yadkintar
Used to haul 8 to 10 head to autum oaks every year sure nuff coon treers to sell to hide hunters wouldn't be there four hours all were picked up a paid good money for but they made their money back on hides and then some they liked them from down here.

Tar, I lived in Indiana for 9 years from the late 70's through the 80's and that was prime hide price time. I enjoyed hunting then but it got to the place when coon actually got scarce in my area, North Central IN. There were coon hunters coming from every direction. A lot of the southern guys used to come up for the first week of kill season just to kill coon. I'll give you just one example of what it was like. I was out hunting one night on the opening week and had treed a couple so far when my little female struck back in this little swamp woods. She was working the track when I saw what looked like a space ship trying to land down the road heading my way. It turned out to be about a half a dozen hunters and at least that many dogs walking right up the middle of the road. Their dogs heard my little gyp and bailed in there and liked to scared her to death. She came running back out to me. They barked around for a little while and came back out in the road. I spoke with the hunters for a while and found out that they were from TN and came up every year for the first week of kill season. They had already killed 19 that night and mostly from the road. They had lights that looked like runway lights and didn't miss a tree. When they would see one setting up they would shoot it and the dogs would fetch it or finish it off if need be. Now, I'm downing folks from the south or their dogs just stating a situation that used to happen quite a bit when I lived there. To be fair there were folks from that area that did the same. Just made me sick. They used to come by my house with their lights hanging out of the every window of the vehicle shining the edge of the woods for coon setting up. Don't take much of a dog for that type of hunting.

Now, to address the question at hand. I moved from WV to IN in 1977 and took with me, what I considered to be one of the finest hounds I ever owned. In WV he was outstanding but the hunting was extremely tough and coon were very thin. He was as tough as nails and had the stamina of a race horse. When I moved to IN I couldn't wait to turn that beast loose in those thick coon. What a rude awakening I was in for. I went from big steep hills and hollers infested with thickets and grape vines to flat land infested with standing corn and soy bean fields that was nearly impossible to get through not to mention all the roads and hog fence's. My outstanding hound in WV suddenly became confused with all the different terrain and obstacles to deal with. If your dog hasn't ever been around 4' high woven wire fence, well the local competition hunters up there found out quick and would eat you alive. Now, my fine hound finally adjusted and went on to become the same dog he was in WV. I have had the pleasure of hunting my hounds in many different states and there's pro's and con's to them all. The best thing of it all is the fine folks you meet from different parts of the country. That's worth it all. Dogs come and go but friends last a lifetime. All the fine folks that took their hounds from different parts of the country and then landed in GA, my hat's off to them because they took the best they had to do the best they could. I would still love to go hunt in Indiana and still have many friends there along with MI, OH, VA, PA, and some other states not mentioned. I'm kinda' in a different place, not too far north or not too far south but enjoy the best of both worlds and love all of America. Good luck to everyone and enjoy that fine hound cause they don't last for ever.

Posted by JiM on 09-27-2017 04:57 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
Lol your kidding right have you lost your mind. .

Yes, I was kidding. I thought it was a totally stupid question so I gave a totally stupid answer.
I thought that would be obvious but apparently not.

Posted by khester7923 on 09-27-2017 05:08 PM:

huntin tennessee

hey doug robinson, tried to pm but your box is full. i live down here in tennessee and anytime you come here for whatever reason just give me a holler and ill be more than glad to take you huntin in these mtns with me. just come on down and give me yell.

Posted by micooner on 09-27-2017 06:14 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by JiM
Yes, I was kidding. I thought it was a totally stupid question so I gave a totally stupid answer.
I thought that would be obvious but apparently not.

you southern boys just can't take a joke. Lol

Posted by gpent24 on 09-27-2017 06:24 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by shadinc
How can hunting in thick coon be much different from hunting feeders?

The difference is that I have out 5 feeders here on our club in Mccomb and not one had been hit last night and that was dropping from my young dog on them from 9-1130. I have a camp in the delta that if I have 5 feeders out if I don't hit coons on all 5 there will at least have been one on 4 of them.

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Posted by Dave Richards on 09-27-2017 06:43 PM:

Ron Moore

Ron, I enjoyed your post as it was pretty much spot on based on my own personal experiences. Dogs certainly have to adjust to the different terrain and conditions to be at their best. Dogs are all different, some adjust faster than others and some just do not adjust very good at all. I have hunted in the mts, of Tn, Va, NC, Ky, and in Mich, Ind, Ohio. I love the hunting in each of these places, but I can see where different styles if dogs excell in some places much better than other places. I love a coondog period . Dave

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Posted by treedog2345 on 09-27-2017 07:11 PM:

My experience is this coon real thin where we are and like said in other post boys from here go up north just to kill they can stay a week with their pups and kill more coon then than we will kill in a year some becouse our coon thinner and most becouse if we kill what we have we are out of business. Teri tory changes but I thik ron said it best dogs will if they are true coondogs they will aclamate may take a day or so but they will get used to either haVing to go or plowing through soy beans

Posted by ItsOlMander on 09-27-2017 07:13 PM:

i had a good hunting buddy that was in IN and we traded dogs back and forth some, some were good in IN and some were good in FL and a few were just good. its definitely a different world... im sure same east to west hunting.

the blue dog in my signature DOC, came from IN and he never skipped a beat down here. treed a coon first nite i cut him loose in the thickest tie-tie swamp around here.

one GRNITE dog i hunted with up in IN would really put on a show.... i begged to bring down here and hunt some and when i finally got him down here you could hardly get him out in the woods... too thick of woods and not enough coon i guess. if he didnt strike directly hed be back at the truck blaming you for dry holing him.

i had another pup that was doing excellent down here, took her up north and there were too many coon tracks- shed never finish one before her nose was dragging her off on another. it was too good too her to be able to finish much of anything up there

i learned about those stinging nettle plants in IN... i brushed my hand across one and i would compare the feeling to cutting my hand with a tiny thin razor blade a million times, setting it on fire, then pouring acid on it to put the fire out...

i also had my go at hunting in the Mountains in TN... i was about 100 yards behind a almost 70 year old man, holding on to a tree to avoid rolling all the way back down, huffing puffing and wheezing... with him laughing and asking me if i was gonna make it... if he would have brought my dog back with him id have gladly swallowed my pride and left him with it and waited at the truck LOL

they all have their ups and downs but it sure was a lot of fun hunting up in IN with open woods and thick coon.

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Posted by DRhodes on 09-27-2017 07:17 PM:

Re: The great north south debate

quote:
Originally posted by Ozark Hillbilly
What IF.... you lived in the north and had to move south? Or vice versa? What happens to your hounds? You take em behind the barn and shoot em? Sell em? I mean, they're useless where youre going right? Why take them with you? Yeah id bring em with me too.... Cause I got a decent hound. He trees thin coons in rough conditions. Plus hes real smart, so i feel after a couple days in thick coon, he would adapt. Plus I love the heck out of him, and always does me a good job. Mostly. Cause he ain't perfect. He's just a dog. I'd love to try him everywhere. It gets old hunting the same territory. You guys should thank your lucky stars yall are packing the heat to get you to the world. All you guys are winners to me. Yall all had the grit to train, hunt, and get your hound to the WORLD. Hat's off! Oh.. before you ask, no, I didn't, couldn't, go to the world. All yalls dogs are better than mine. North or south! 😂😂

Mr. Ozark Hillbilly I just wish I had one that could tree a coon.... North or South I just wish he could put one up a tree.....

Posted by Ron Moore on 09-28-2017 09:23 PM:

Re: Ron Moore

quote:
Originally posted by Dave Richards
Ron, I enjoyed your post as it was pretty much spot on based on my own personal experiences. Dogs certainly have to adjust to the different terrain and conditions to be at their best. Dogs are all different, some adjust faster than others and some just do not adjust very good at all. I have hunted in the mts, of Tn, Va, NC, Ky, and in Mich, Ind, Ohio. I love the hunting in each of these places, but I can see where different styles if dogs excell in some places much better than other places. I love a coondog period . Dave

Dave, you are right, each dog will react differently to different situations that you put them in and each territory will hold different obstacles. South have dillers, we are loaded up with possums and deer, north have porkies mid-west have fences, all take their toll on a hound if they haven't been exposed to them. Rough terrain pretty much comes in all locations but some places have steeper walking than others, some have more water etc. It's amazing what we as coon hunters can get used to. It is great hunting in a place where you can step out of the vehicle and scan the edge of a corn field and see up to a dozen coon setting up but then again I love hearing a big mouthed hound open up deep in our WV hollers and set into treeing making echo's throughout the mountains. I recall one time hunting in Indiana when we saw 13 coon setting up on the far side of a corn field, I couldn't wait to cut the dogs loose. We did and got struck and they blew right past all those coon and crossed the creek and treed on the other side, LOL! They had a coon up their tree but sometimes things look better than they are. I enjoy hunting different places but I do expect to run into problems because we along with our hounds will have to adjust. I envy folks that have easy hunting with lots of coon but all coon smell the same and it takes a decent dog to tree them consistently no matter where you're located. We just need to keep an open mind about other folks in other locations and respect what they go through. We all can't be lucky like me and climb these dreaded hills every night, LOL. Have a wonderful day....Ron

Posted by Doug Robinson on 09-29-2017 01:11 AM:

Re: huntin tennessee

quote:
Originally posted by khester7923
hey doug robinson, tried to pm but your box is full. i live down here in tennessee and anytime you come here for whatever reason just give me a holler and ill be more than glad to take you huntin in these mtns with me. just come on down and give me yell.

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