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So IF they're asking $2000.00 for

A 4 year old that's tight mouth, won't tree with another dog and is right 50% of the time and you'll have to get him "off a tree"--

How much for a 4 year old that has a big bawl mouth and opens when he smells a Coon track and then again after he's got it moving, and runs to catch. Hits the tree with a couple long bawls and then every breath chop and is right 80-90% of time. Will back another dog if their right and will check in after 30-40 minutes if he doesn't find a track. Has open off the lead and after turned lose trees a lay up over 100 yards away. Likes to work up old cold tracks that some some can't smell---should be worth a couple hundred???

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Depends if you're pleasure hunting or comp hunting I guess..

SO

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE!!!!!

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Yep, a major difference! A comp. hunter will buy a dog no pleasure hunter would own & pleasure hunter will buy a dog no comp hunter wants..

Old Timer

If you have a dog like you described, I will certainly give a couple hundred. (Maybe more) pm me if you are serious. Dave

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If the description you wrote Old Timer was from a real add. All i say is you have to give the man credit for telling the bad. The bad to me is 50% accurate. If i sold guns and said they only fired half the time. I dont think anyone would buy one. If your truck started half the time you would get rid of it. But somehow we think a 50% dog has value. Totally insane.

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what you descibed

have them kind of dogs no money can buy them but i do have pups once in a while thanks tim

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A 4 year old that's tight mouth, won't tree with another dog and is right 50% of the time and you'll have to get him "off a tree"--

How much for a 4 year old that has a big bawl mouth and opens when he smells a Coon track and then again after he's got it moving, and runs to catch. Hits the tree with a couple long bawls and then every breath chop and is right 80-90% of time. Will back another dog if their right and will check in after 30-40 minutes if he doesn't find a track. Has open off the lead and after turned lose trees a lay up over 100 yards away. Likes to work up old cold tracks that some some can't smell---should be worth a couple hundred???

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Mr Joey---

I have feed 2 that were in the 90 to 100%.
Spook in the early 70's would locate and then circle the tree and when he got back on the wood you would see eyes. Cheta II in the late 80's did the same and after you harvest it and she made sure it was dead and when back to treeing you could put another shell in, if she didn't it was empty.
Those two were a PLEASURE to hunt, but like has been said---comp Hunter today wouldn't like them---to much nose and to much music.
I have not had many with that high of a percentage, but I will tell you that if I walk to 10 trees, I better see eyes or a tree that has a den 7 to 8 times.
It is possible to have that IF you keep the tracking ability more important then the tree.

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I have feed 2 that were in the 90 to 100%.
Spook in the early 70's would locate and then circle the tree and when he got back on the wood you would see eyes. Cheta II in the late 80's did the same and after you harvest it and she made sure it was dead and when back to treeing you could put another shell in, if she didn't it was empty.
Those two were a PLEASURE to hunt, but like has been said---comp Hunter today wouldn't like them---to much nose and to much music.
I have not had many with that high of a percentage, but I will tell you that if I walk to 10 trees, I better see eyes or a tree that has a den 7 to 8 times.
It is possible to have that IF you keep the tracking ability more important then the tree.

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Re: So IF they're asking $2000.00 for

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Originally posted by OLD TIMER
A 4 year old that's tight mouth, won't tree with another dog and is right 50% of the time and you'll have to get him "off a tree"--

How much for a 4 year old that has a big bawl mouth and opens when he smells a Coon track and then again after he's got it moving, and runs to catch. Hits the tree with a couple long bawls and then every breath chop and is right 80-90% of time. Will back another dog if their right and will check in after 30-40 minutes if he doesn't find a track. Has open off the lead and after turned lose trees a lay up over 100 yards away. Likes to work up old cold tracks that some some can't smell---should be worth a couple hundred???

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ole Spook may of been the one that treed the coon, but in a nite hunt ole second there Sam would get first tree, win the cast and breed all the best females.
that's how that story went and that's why the 50% dogs are so common now.

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So true---

I think I would drop the word "BEST"

And that's why I don't comp hunt or get blinded by Titles.

Spook never seen a cage coon---his training was by himself starting at 8 months and treeing a young coon that first night.(luck? just glad it worked) He never ran anything but coon for 14 years and is the only hound that has rode on the front seat of my truck in 60 some years of hunting. His mother was a half Walker half Bluetick, she was a HARD tree hound and she loved Deer and many nights she was left out and picked up the next morning on my jacket. His sire was a Bluetick out of OK that won't tree and was used on fox for that reason.

The owner of his sire said because the sire came from "good stock" we should give it a try so I bred a deer chasing hard tree hound to a cold nose fox hound that wouldn't tree and I'm happy we did.

And I think it was 30 years later that Red told me, "use stock from a good family then some one night wonder."

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Once again, I agree with Bruce.....
Adios,
Gary

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Originally posted by toe cutter
ole Spook may of been the one that treed the coon, but in a nite hunt ole second there Sam would get first tree, win the cast and breed all the best females.
that's how that story went and that's why the 50% dogs are so common now.

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Originally posted by OLD TIMER
I think I would drop the word "BEST"

And that's why I don't comp hunt or get blinded by Titles.

Spook never seen a cage coon---his training was by himself starting at 8 months and treeing a young coon that first night.(luck? just glad it worked) He never ran anything but coon for 14 years and is the only hound that has rode on the front seat of my truck in 60 some years of hunting. His mother was a half Walker half Bluetick, she was a HARD tree hound and she loved Deer and many nights she was left out and picked up the next morning on my jacket. His sire was a Bluetick out of OK that won't tree and was used on fox for that reason.

The owner of his sire said because the sire came from "good stock" we should give it a try so I bred a deer chasing hard tree hound to a cold nose fox hound that wouldn't tree and I'm happy we did.

And I think it was 30 years later that Red told me, "use stock from a good family then some one night wonder."

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What 50% flavor of the month dog you guys talking about? Everyone blabbers on and on about the big winners of today are not accurate, old blood this, old blood that, blah blah blah blah

But they never name one of the actual dogs...

I'd like to know which dog that is doing all the winning, and breeding all the females, that is junk. Where are all these mystery dogs, because I'm not seeing them everywhere like you guys are

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Who would own a 50% accurate hound?? Drive 500 miles to try a dog & the 1st night it makes 2 dens & 1 you can't shine. 2nd night trees 3 coons outta 3 trees. Dog is 50% accurate, who'd buy him??

I'd like too see some of these 80-90% dogs. If a person is completely honest and keeps up with trees for a solif year coon seen or not I'd put $1000- $1 there's not any. There are accurate dogs I've seen dogs make 20-30 trees and not miss but not for a year.

Well Johnny Boy ---

had you been in Central MN from 1965 to 1975 I would have shown you one that did and with the $1000, I could have had the 56 pound old Boar that his brother and sister helped tree mounted and I would have had one more memory of him today. Had my Dad along on that hunt. Got home and put him on a scale and took a tape and from tip of nose to tip of tail, 51 inches. Happened on our farm and that's' the tree where he's buried under.

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I'd like to go to Central Mn. where you hunt just to be able to shine 80-90 trees outta 100!

I thought I had accurate dogs until I actually did wind up with a accurate dog. I learned how many of them dens and big leafy trees were slick when I started finding coons in the dens and big trees most of the time. I've seen a dog or 2 over 80% but just a couple. Most dogs that win consistently are a actual 70% or less.

Everyone thinks that if they haven't seen it then the people that have are making it up. I thought the same thing until I got one that was truly accurate. Of course they are going to be some that you cant find when the leafs come on. That's common sense, what doesn't make sense is when you hunted with a dog all winter that had a coon 50% of the time. Then all of a sudden you can find 50% in the summer and you think he might of had the others if you could have shined the trees?

A dog that doesn't know how to use its nose to locate a coon is not going to be very accurate. The dogs that tend to slick tree follow a track to a tree (or until they loose it) and slam it. The one I have now has taught me a lot. For one he hardly ever drops his nose to the ground. He runs head up and if I pay attention in the winter he will be treeing at the base but looking in the direction the coon is out on a limb. He gets me wet a lot in the summer because the coons layup on hot nights out in the Cyprus trees. He will run the edge of the lake and just fall treed out in the water. He doesn't make as many trees in the summer as he does in the winter. All I can figure out is the leafs change how the wind currents flow and its harder for him to locate them. Either way when if you ever see one thats good at it you will see all the rest of this stuff is just excuses.

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Originally posted by johnny reb
I'd like too see some of these 80-90% dogs. If a person is completely honest and keeps up with trees for a solif year coon seen or not I'd put $1000- $1 there's not any. There are accurate dogs I've seen dogs make 20-30 trees and not miss but not for a year.

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They exist.

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