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Posted by J. Pinson on 03-18-2017 08:31 PM:

Serious question

For the breeders or those who try several pups per yr or so, from different bloodlines. Do you guys/gals feel that the crosses you make or buy pups from are improving the breed or do you honestly think that a lot of people are just breeding for whatever reason it might be. What I'm asking is simple when you make a cross or look for a pup to buy are you looking for something better?

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Posted by Treedoggmafia on 03-19-2017 09:58 AM:

I feel there's a lot of people just breeding to breed to keep there names threw generations on papers because 20 years ago they owned there best dog of there life and they gotta keep it in the papers somewhere....all awhile there hoping to eventually get something as good as they had 20 years ago.....

News flash! If ya ain't got it in 20 years what makes you think you will now by breeding lower quality dogs trying to accomplish it?

I will only breed dogs that have earned there stay hear and proven them selves....1 of the first bars to pass is to be better than and show qualitys above there parent ( mom or dad whichever I bred) and to be better then there parent...I also look at litters there out of and past reproducing generations....the best hound in the world ain't much after they've accomplished all they can but can't reproduce better than themselves....just like I feel ability is genetic and passed on I also believe so is the genetics to reproduce....keep an eye on the reproducers list for a few years and you'll start seeing a lot of dogs on there who's moms grandmas and grandpas were or are on.... just my opinions that don't mean much but those are my thaughts and theories I go by for not till I find any reason to go a difrent route!

Posted by msinc on 03-19-2017 01:58 PM:

I'm no breeder and I have no desire to "try" a bunch of dogs year around. I seriously doubt there is anyone out there that is not "looking for something better." I also agree that a lot of breeding takes place to try and keep old so and so's bloodline going. For some strange reason many people believe the dogs will get better with each generation. Those are the ones that breed just because their female is in heat. Both are the "breeders" I want to steer clear of, but you just don't always know.
All that said, I do believe the dogs are better today than ever. There will always be people that are too picky and there will always be people that don't have a clue what a good dog is or is supposed to be doing at the time. I bought three puppies, all of different breeding, in 2014 and I am tickled pink with all three. Twenty years ago when I bought three puppies I ended up culling at least one of them, sometimes two. I like to think I am a better trainer/handler these days too, but good puppies to start with make a big difference.

Posted by pamjohnson on 03-19-2017 04:29 PM:

i am always looking for the next best 1 weather i buy or breed it. it seems like i am always working with a pup.

Posted by J. Pinson on 03-19-2017 08:34 PM:

Thank you guys/gal for the replies. So it does seem that more pups make keepers nowadays more so than in the past?

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Posted by msinc on 03-19-2017 10:11 PM:

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Originally posted by J. Pinson
Thank you guys/gal for the replies. So it does seem that more pups make keepers nowadays more so than in the past?

Well.......that kinda depends a lot on who you ask and there are some other factors to consider. When ever you are talking about the quality of a puppy you have to consider what the breeder must provide and also what you are not really getting from the breeder. With some people you have to wonder if they are looking for a good coon dog or just live to pick dogs apart, because it seems that's all some of them can do!!!
The breeder has to give you a puppy that can run a track...he doesn't have any responsibility regarding the dog being trained to not run junk. Some people are ridiculous enough to see it otherwise. How many young dogs with a lot of potential were lost in the shuffle because their owner was unable to properly break them from off game???? That is definitely not a breeder problem.
He has to provide you with a puppy that will grow up, tree and hold it...he has some ownership in the dog slick treeing, but he is not there to correct for it when needed the most. Again, there are some people that believe any and all slick treeing is how the dog is bred and I don't believe this is fair. Especially given the way I have seen many of them handled.
The history of the owner/handler has something to do with it too. Take someone who was lucky enough to have three or four really outstanding dogs in a row over the last 15-20 years and the next couple are mediocre and he is going to tell you the breeders are going backwards.
Me personally, I believe dogs have come a long way in the last 30 years, and not necessarily all for the good. I have to say that as a trainer/handler I've come a long ways too.
There are three dogs I had in the past that I got as puppies and raised/broke myself. They were really good dogs in their own right, but I sure wished I had those three today given what I know now and today's equipment {Garmin Alpha!!!}

Posted by Drummerblue2 on 03-20-2017 01:11 AM:

I feel

There is many breeding just to sale pup's I see people with top female's all the Time posting pictures of there female and ped and then they will make mention of this male are another male try see how many they can get interested in a pup for a premium price I think if you are breeding just to try to sale a pup your breeding for the wrong reason.Iv bought several pup's over the years from different folks and different bloodlines and have had very few that turned out to suit me I will never buy another pup unless it has a ped full of reperducers and titled dogs and will also prefer that it's parents are doing something in other KC

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Posted by JScott187 on 03-20-2017 05:46 AM:

Re: I feel

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There is many breeding just to sale pup's I see people with top female's all the Time posting pictures of there female and ped and then they will make mention of this male are another male try see how many they can get interested in a pup for a premium price I think if you are breeding just to try to sale a pup your breeding for the wrong reason.Iv bought several pup's over the years from different folks and different bloodlines and have had very few that turned out to suit me I will never buy another pup unless it has a ped full of reperducers and titled dogs and will also prefer that it's parents are doing something in other KC

Well perhaps the people with top females feel the need to post such just to see how many are interested???? One would assume the Breeder takes pride in what he is trying to do and more than likely trying to please the public.But then again that would make sense and there would be nothing to complain about!

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Posted by breezyoaks on 03-20-2017 06:41 PM:

All pupped up

The thing that sucks is seems everybodys all pupped up....i seen some durn nice looking crosses on here recently that the pups arent moving ...darn pitty.
Id havta believe alotta that cud be linked to other crosses and pups that likely shudnta been....some guys prob think they are improving what they got, but they dont know what a good one is. Not picking bones here...just sayin...
There again tho its a free world....
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