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Posted by Well Started on 11-13-2016 08:09 PM:

Wisdom of the Founding Fathers

I will admit, it would sting a bit if the shoe was on the other foot, but given the election results you have to admire the foresight of our founding fathers.

29 states voted by majority popular vote for the Republican candidate. 2 states, Michigan and New Hampshire are still counting votes.

Yet Hillary will win the popular vote nationwide. Without the electoral college, states like Wy, Ks, Nd, Sd, etc, would never ever have a voice. Elections would basically be decided by 4 states because of the population. California, New York, Texas, and Florida. Florida is always split so The numbers from Ca, and NY would over ride Tx.


The majority of the people in the majority of the states you couldn't pay to live in Ca or Ny. Yet without the electoral college all the other states would be forced to live under their politics.

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Posted by berger on 11-13-2016 10:51 PM:

Re: Wisdom of the Founding Fathers

quote:
Originally posted by Well Started
I will admit, it would sting a bit if the shoe was on the other foot, but given the election results you have to admire the foresight of our founding fathers.

29 states voted by majority popular vote for the Republican candidate. 2 states, Michigan and New Hampshire are still counting votes.

Yet Hillary will win the popular vote nationwide. Without the electoral college, states like Wy, Ks, Nd, Sd, etc, would never ever have a voice. Elections would basically be decided by 4 states because of the population. California, New York, Texas, and Florida. Florida is always split so The numbers from Ca, and NY would over ride Tx.


The majority of the people in the majority of the states you couldn't pay to live in Ca or Ny. Yet without the electoral college all the other states would be forced to live under their politics.



Facts Facts Facts Trump is leading in the popular vote and once all absentee ballots are counted he will win by over a million votes...

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Posted by Rex Ridge on 11-14-2016 12:36 AM:

I read earlier today that he won by almost 700,000 votes.


Posted by Hey Preacher!!! on 11-14-2016 01:01 AM:

Snopes has Hillary winning popular vote.

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Posted by Triple K Kennel on 11-14-2016 02:30 AM:

Yep.....

quote:
Originally posted by Hey Preacher!!!
Snopes has Hillary winning popular vote.


This is what I heard also.....Don't remember the exact number but they were saying she won by a large margin.....

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Posted by Well Started on 11-14-2016 02:51 AM:

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[QUOTE]Originally posted by berger
Facts Facts Facts Trump is leading in the popular vote and once all absentee ballots are counted he will win by over a million votes... [/QUO

Nope. She's ahead and will only gain as the rest of the ballots are counted from heavily democrat and large population states.

I knew it would end up that way at the end of election night when Trump had won the election but was only slightly ahead at that time in the popular vote. Common sense says that even though they had called states like California, Oregon, and Washington, for Clinton, since they were on the west coast there was going to be a lot of ballots that were not yet in the final tally.

I bet Clinton wins the popular vote by between 1 and 2 million votes when it's all said and done. Doesn't look good but doesn't matter. Electoral college is what they both were going after and both knew that's all that mattered. This happened in 2000 with Bush/Gore, but the amount Gore won the popular vote by was much less. It's happened several times that way in history where the President elect who won the electoral college, did not win the popular vote.

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Posted by dbpro56 on 11-14-2016 08:34 PM:

All I know is, before Arizona and Michigan had counted their votes, it was already being put out there, Clinton won the popular vote. Maybe she did, but it would be nice to know, all the states had finished with their final tally's! I also heard he finished with 309 electoral votes.

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Posted by Redneck Mafia on 11-14-2016 09:35 PM:

quote:
Originally posted by dbpro56
All I know is, before Arizona and Michigan had counted their votes, it was already being put out there, Clinton won the popular vote. Maybe she did, but it would be nice to know, all the states had finished with their final tally's! I also heard he finished with 309 electoral votes.

His final rally I believe will be 309. The powers that be will see to it that she wins the popular vote, it gives their rioters a cause. On election night at 3am he was leading the popular vote with nearly everything counted to nearly 99% including Michigan and Arizona which their electorial votes will also go to Trump, New Hampshire was to close to call with nearly all reporting. The only state still out at that time was Alaska which will also go to Trump. Then Wednesday afternoon oh no it's hillary in the lead guess all those warehouse votes on the west coast and estimated 7 million non citizens that voted got counted lol. Now they say they still have about 7 million uncounted ballots guess people are still voting in Hill states. I do hope they actually counted our military vote this time.
Bottom line they couldn't put out to the public the shalacking she just took and dang sure weren't gonna call MI or AZ on election night. It was funny to flip between the MSM channels to watch their disbelief many choking back tears, PRICELESS!!!

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Posted by 4play on 11-14-2016 09:48 PM:

California

The ONLY reason Billary won Popular vote.
By less than a million is what I seen.


Posted by Bill(Chew) on 11-14-2016 10:37 PM:

I saw a post earlier today that showed that Trump had passed Hillary with the popular vote. This is why we have an electoral college, all the count. If it was only the popular vote then a few large cities would control the whole nation.

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Posted by POP on 11-15-2016 01:14 AM:

if you take out all the illegals that voted then Trump probably will win by a couple million.

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Posted by Well Started on 11-15-2016 02:12 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Redneck Mafia
His final rally I believe will be 309. The powers that be will see to it that she wins the popular vote, it gives their rioters a cause. On election night at 3am he was leading the popular vote with nearly everything counted to nearly 99% including Michigan and Arizona which their electorial votes will also go to Trump, New Hampshire was to close to call with nearly all reporting. The only state still out at that time was Alaska which will also go to Trump. Then Wednesday afternoon oh no it's hillary in the lead guess all those warehouse votes on the west coast and estimated 7 million non citizens that voted got counted lol. Now they say they still have about 7 million uncounted ballots guess people are still voting in Hill states. I do hope they actually counted our military vote this time.
Bottom line they couldn't put out to the public the shalacking she just took and dang sure weren't gonna call MI or AZ on election night. It was funny to flip between the MSM channels to watch their disbelief many choking back tears, PRICELESS!!!



So let me get this straight. The powers that be allowed Trump to narrowly win key states on the vote count that caused Trump to win the election, but now they're grossly stacking numbers? C'mon. With that kind of power it wouldn't of been hard to discover miscounted or uncounted ballots in just 1 major county in Fl, NC, PA, or WS. That's about all it would've taken to flip any 1 of those states. The election is over. The conspiracy theories can be put to bed.

The Democrats win by big numbers in some big and/or densely populated states. Always do. Most of the key states Trump needed to win to gain Electoral College votes, he won by narrow margins in the popular vote. In some cases extremely narrow. Hard to gain popular vote numbers on Clinton when votes are close to 1 to 1 in those states.

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Posted by Jeff Prince on 11-15-2016 05:34 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Well Started
So let me get this straight. The powers that be allowed Trump to narrowly win key states on the vote count that caused Trump to win the election, but now they're grossly stacking numbers? C'mon. With that kind of power it wouldn't of been hard to discover miscounted or uncounted ballots in just 1 major county in Fl, NC, PA, or WS. That's about all it would've taken to flip any 1 of those states. The election is over. The conspiracy theories can be put to bed.

The Democrats win by big numbers in some big and/or densely populated states. Always do. Most of the key states Trump needed to win to gain Electoral College votes, he won by narrow margins in the popular vote. In some cases extremely narrow. Hard to gain popular vote numbers on Clinton when votes are close to 1 to 1 in those states.


How far is Pa from Canada ?

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Posted by Redneck Mafia on 11-15-2016 05:15 PM:

quote:
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How far is Pa from Canada ?

Bad news Canada doesn't want them either.
California still has over 4 million uncounted ballots yesterday, this is from CA sect of state office. 1.2 million are provisional ballots which means for whatever reason the person voting was not on the voter rolls or could not provide any proof of identity. Over 3 million are mail in ballots, the rest are ballots that need corrected because the machine couldn't read them.

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Posted by Larry Atherton on 11-15-2016 06:09 PM:

One a side note, it isn't enough to see that Snopes says something is the truth. You have to look at their source. Often times their source is a liberal organization.

During the previous election I was curious about something Snopes #1 claimed to be true. I had seen a copy of a document that proved otherwise. It was a document the FBI provides regarding gun violence.

For this instance, Snopes listed their source. I went to that source #2 and that source listed Media Matters as its source. I then went to Media matters #3 and it listed source #2 as its source.

I laughed out loud, and showed my wife after she asked what was so funny. I replied isn't that convenient?

In today's world you can not take anything as a truth unless you can research it yourself.

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Posted by Well Started on 11-16-2016 01:23 AM:

quote:
Originally posted by Jeff Prince
How far is Pa from Canada ?


Not sure what you're getting at, but farther than what Arkansas is from Cuba.

Back to the original post. More than 2 centuries ago our Founding Fathers enacted the electoral college because they had the foresight for this exact scenario that has happened now numerous times. The simple mind would just say the popular vote would elect our Presidents. They wanted smaller or less populated states to have a say.

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Posted by Hey Preacher!!! on 11-16-2016 01:36 AM:

Larry, when I spoke of Snopes having Hillary winning the popular vote, I was simply going with the most recent Google results (5 hours at the time).

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